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25 February 2006, on 8:43 am
That’s crazy. Imagine a tramautized woman saying six years after a violent crime, “Ok Tamika-Jo, pack your bags because this is your weekend with rape-daddy.”
Fuck me with a barbed-wire mitten…that’s just crazy. We gotta get rid of religious, irrational “reasoning”.
25 February 2006, on 9:34 am
Mike said: “Ok Tamika-Jo, pack your bags because this is your weekend with rape-daddy.”
Ouch. No fucking kidding.
As Lya has said: this is the worst kind of misogyny.
I know all atheists don’t agree on this issue, but I think most of us put a grown, fully formed adult brain before that of a fetus. I have said so before: women have been aborting, both naturally and artificially, since the dawn of conception. This will only do what it always has done: force it into back alleys and lead to needless deaths.
Rich gals, by the way, will always be able to just hop on a plane to Europe.
This to me is a clear assault on the poor, like so much that is happening in this country right now. If you’re poor, you go fight our wars, or you get stuck with rape-daddy’s baby… All in the name of some rich fuckead’s ideology or self-serving politics.
Now what? How do we fight this?
25 February 2006, on 10:22 am
Sick.
“Unruh said she believes most South Dakota women want the state to ban abortion, and many who have had abortions “wish someone would have stopped them.”
Talk about assumptions. I hope no one in Ohio makes the same assuptions. From what I’ve read, Ohio will probably follow suit.
I’m interested in when the next rally in DC will be. I’ll be sure to be there.
25 February 2006, on 1:57 pm
How do we fight this? Well…that’s a great question. Letter-writing and blogging are good, but don’t noticed nearly enough and aren’t visible. Protests make everyone look too much like hippies (and everyone knows that, as Patton Oswalt says, “every time you eat a steak, a hippy’s hacky-sack goes in the gutter”, which makes me super happy). That leaves celebrity endorsement.
Of course, that leads to the most difficult part of all - finding a well-spoken, intelligent celebrity to take up the cause. We could be screwed here…
25 February 2006, on 2:45 pm
Mike said:
Protests make everyone look too much like hippies (and everyone knows that, as Patton Oswalt says, “every time you eat a steak, a hippy’s hacky-sack goes in the gutter”, which makes me super happy). That leaves celebrity endorsement.
LMAO, good point. I’ve never actually been to a protest. I think it would be an interesting experience. And excellent points about the celebrity endorsement. Most of them make me sick.
25 February 2006, on 2:53 pm
Just a thought… Given there is an athesist political movement already starting over in the US where you guys and gals are (i.e., The Secular Coalition has employed a full-time lobbyist - I think GifS linked to a story about that), perhaps it would be worth getting on their database to help them build up some momentum. There will be many other groups interested in fighting this (e.g. feminist orgainisations, possibly some medical organisations), and the easiest way to work together with them would probably be through an existing lobby. The cards are heavily stacked against success on this, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be fought against!
Re celebrity(ies)… There’s always Penn and Teller! (although Teller isn’t very well-spoken).
25 February 2006, on 3:23 pm
American Athiests also has a lobbyist - Rick Wingrove.
I really like AA, but I was a bit disappointed in Ellen Johnsons appearence on the Tucker Carlson show. But I think that this organization is a pretty good one.
25 February 2006, on 5:12 pm
I’ve been to protests. Huge ones of 100k people or more. The most satisfying aspect is to be surrounded by such a vast number of like-minded people. It gives you hope, as fragile as that may be.
25 February 2006, on 5:13 pm
NonProphet:
Penn and Teller rock.
25 February 2006, on 5:18 pm
Regarding Sean’s comment that “Rich gals, by the way, will always be able to just hop on a plane to Europe”; a recent article on NYTimes made for scary reading. Journalist William Baude reasoned in “States of confusion” (22nd Jan 06) that states might pass legislation enabling them to take unborn babies into protective custody, therefore banning pregnant women from leaving their state to procure an abortion elsewhere. Here’s a link to a letter sent regarding the story http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50A10F63B5B0C758EDDA80894DE404482, and a link to the orginal story http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40A12F7395B0C718EDDA80894DE404482 (I don’t have a subscription to Times Select unfortunately).
25 February 2006, on 7:59 pm
Sean said: “Rich gals, by the way, will always be able to just hop on a plane to Europe.”
Less rich can hop a bus to Canada
Not that they should have to!
25 February 2006, on 8:12 pm
Yah. There are plenty of poor, young American gals who couldn’t afford that trip, either — much less know it is an option…
25 February 2006, on 8:22 pm
Do I get to have an rpg launcher in the upcoming civil war? Not to make a mountain out of a molehill, but I thought they might wait two or three more years before pulling this shit, I guess they decided to take a spin in the fast lane ey? Perhaps we shall see each other in the carnage?
25 February 2006, on 8:46 pm
“Plenty of rich girls can hop….”
Wrong. The US gov’t has determined that in order to fight crime that they can prosecute US citizens for crimes commited outside of the country.
25 February 2006, on 9:09 pm
Ford said:
Do I get to have an rpg launcher in the upcoming civil war? Not to make a mountain out of a molehill, but I thought they might wait two or three more years before pulling this shit, I guess they decided to take a spin in the fast lane ey? Perhaps we shall see each other in the carnage.
Dude, I am with you. For the sake of our mothers and our sisters and our daughters.
No… You’re not making a mountain out of a molehill. It is a mountain.
And not to be overly dramatic, but:
This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.
- Abraham Lincoln
25 February 2006, on 9:25 pm
Although I still find these developments disturbing, I spent a little time looking for slightly less alarmist takes.This was interesting.
Always good to strike a balance.
(Though I still want an RPG like Ford does)
26 February 2006, on 4:17 am
I’ve got a solution on my website for when the states are allowed to begin denying women the right to abortion.
Sean, I agree with you, it does seem to me that on a national level pro-choice is the majority in this country. But my guess is that in certain states pro-life may be the majority and this is where you are going to see severe restrictions on abortion if the Supreme Court allows it. Until the Democratics can get their act together in these states, women will most likely be denied the right to control their own bodies. My solution is a bandaid at best.
26 February 2006, on 1:18 pm
Being that it is religeously motivated, I don’t agree with their reasoning. But it’s about damn time somebody somewhere put their money where their mouth is and stopped the snuffing out of innocent human life.
26 February 2006, on 2:38 pm
Wally:
At what point does personhood begin?
It happens at conception?
It happens when blood becomes present in the embryo?
It happens later in pregnancy ?
It happens at 14 or 22 weeks gestation ?
It happens during childbirth?
I’m not too interested in starting up another long-winded political debate here on GifS about abortion. But three things bother me on this issue. These are they:
1) If you are willing to march on Washington to save the life of a fetus, where the fuck were you during the last three or four wars? See the new movie “Why We Fight.”
2) Do you support the death penalty? Support it even if it is a sheer statistical likelihood that innocent people go to the death chamber? That in any system there must be errors and that such a final solution can only lead to the ultimate of tragedies, the taking of an innocent life?
3) This legislation says that even if you were RAPED BY YOUR FATHER, you must bring the child to term. Seriously. That’s what it says. Unless your life is in danger, you must have that fucked up mongoloid hate-child that nobody in this life is gonna love. How do we justify that?
26 February 2006, on 2:41 pm
Mr. Wally is right. Perhaps I shall stop washing my balls to prevent any “innocent human life” from sluffing off along with the already dead “innocent human life”. Perhaps I’ll stop wanking to prevent millions upon millions of deaths? I suppose I’m a regular Adolf Hitler eh? I’m certain I’ve killed in the trillions in my lifetime.
26 February 2006, on 3:15 pm
It would be wonderful, for comedically ironic reasons, to introduce a bill prohibiting tubal ligation or vasectomy for reasons of protecting “potential” life. I predict legislation like that would be slapped down with ease, but would create a lot of great humor fodder.
26 February 2006, on 3:32 pm
By the way, I am against the death penalty whether the guy is innocent or a stone-cold fucking killer. The last pope was at least consistent on this. Against choice, yes, cuz his fucked up religion says so… But against war and the death penalty, too. Consistent, in the limited way his politics allowed him to be. I don’t have a hard time imagining him as being pro-choice, either… Just would never be allowed to say so.
Yes, I do see being against war (rich people sending poor people to far-off places to kill other poor people) and the death penalty (I do NOT want my government to have the power to kill me… We call that Saudi Arabia) — AND being pro-choice, as morally consistent.
Should a grown human female with a fully-formed brain have a right to abort the thing growing inside her in order to save her own life — financially, physically, emotionally?
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Wally Asshat: get back to us when you become a pregnant woman and let’s talk about who should have what rights — and who has the right to decide for them, mmm-kay?
27 February 2006, on 12:22 am
But it’s about damn time somebody somewhere put their money where their mouth is and stopped the snuffing out of innocent human life.
Dude, WTF? Sorry to bring in a classic case, but:
The point here is, of course, to direct the focus of the discussion not to the “innocent human life” (whatever that’s supposed to mean — please let’s not make the magical assumption of “life begins at conception”), but to the RADICAL idea that a woman’s body needs to support it in order to survive. If you think this thought-experiment works only for rape, fine — then put that clause in the fucking bill. But the fact that this clause doesn’t even exist for this bill means the bill’s COMPLETE bullshit.
Enough said.
27 February 2006, on 8:17 am
Full on class warfare and mysogyny. As pointed out the rich will not be bound by these rules. Only poor (and victimized - isn’t that lovely) women will suffer. These are disgusting, vile people.
27 February 2006, on 3:17 pm
According to Reuter’s the law passed and ammendments that would make execpts for the mother’s health, or rape/incest victims were voted down. So much for even pretending to care about a woman’s health.
28 February 2006, on 8:49 am
There is a campaign starting to send this asshat metal hangers. YOu in?
Office of the Governor
500 E. Capitol Ave.
Pierre, SD 57501
605.773.3212
28 February 2006, on 9:40 am
That fucking rules. Don’t even waste your time trying to send one on your own. There will be a web site with Visa and Paypal options ready to swamp his ass in about 24 hours.
28 February 2006, on 10:54 am
HA HA! GOVPWND!
1 March 2006, on 1:53 pm
Looks like Mississippi is also following suit. Here they come, folks.
1 March 2006, on 5:24 pm
Where’s the wire hangar campaign? I searched Technorati and couldn’t find it. Is that a Lya Kahlo creation?
Check this out, from Grouchy’s Liberaltopia:
http://liberaltopia.org/?p=229
“Under the measure, doctors could get up to five years in prison for performing an illegal abortion. The House passed the bill 50-18 on Friday, and the Senate approved it 23-12 earlier this week. If signed, it would become law July 1….”
What, doctors only do a five-year stretch for performing an abortion — haven’t we heard for years from the right-wing looney-tunes that abortion is murder? Shouldn’t they be executed, as Jesus would have wanted? And how about their patients — shouldn’t these painted hussies and moral degenerates share a cell on death row with the docs? Has the anti-abortion crowd gone soft on crime?
2 March 2006, on 7:29 am
It wasn’t my creation, I was told that it was the idea of the NARAL-like crowd. Perhaps I misunderstood. So, I’m going to send one on my own.
2 March 2006, on 4:40 pm
OK now check the statistics for the mumbers of children living in or close to poverty. I think you will find the fine state of SD close to the top of the list. So Mr Governor, why not expend your energies on actually caring for kids that have already been born rather than on the unborn? Or is the message that you want to send something like: “In the womb we will protect you, once you’re out, you’re on your own, kiddo”?
3 March 2006, on 7:15 am
““In the womb we will protect you, once you’re out, you’re on your own, kiddo”?”
That’s the absolute credo of the pro-life movement.
22 March 2006, on 7:33 pm
Wally of course failed to reappear…