Through sheer circumstance, I stumbled across this post on a blog. How refreshing. A thoughtful theist who doesn’t dismiss us outright as morally bankrupt because we don’t believe what they believe. Worth reading. She is, however, in the end still missing a good chunk of the point. Christianity, to those who know a bit of history, has already demonstrated itself to be “harsh, vindictive” and “unthinking.” All of the sky-god religions have, Judaism included.
Anyway, I disagree with many of her points (and the points made by her sources), but kudos to her for even giving us a glance. Most religios could give a flying fug what we think. I guess the book, and the article she references, were comforting to her. As if we atheists are going anywhere any time soon.
Atheism: Holding Us Accountable
In his recent book, The Twilight of Atheism (excerpted here), Alister McGrath praises atheism for what it does:
The greatest virtue of atheism is its moral seriousness—its criticisms and passionate demands for justice directed against the corruptions of, say, the French church of the 18th century.
The moral passion of atheism, especially when set alongside the laziness and complacency of European state churches in the 18th century, cannot be dismissed. Some Christian leaders at the time of the French Revolution saw that event as a divine judgment against a failing church. Some believed God was using the atheist critiques of the church as a means of reforming it.
Paradoxically, what propels people toward atheism is above all a sense of revulsion against the excesses and failures of organized religion. Atheism is ultimately a worldview of fear—a fear, often merited, of what might happen if religious maniacs were to take over the world.
McGrath also points out what atheism does not do. As one might expect of a negative philosophy–one based on what it is not, rather than on what it is–atheism, while fairly adept at criticizing belief in a Creator-God and a personality-steeped universe, can’t offer a viable alternative. McGrath says:
Reginald Le Sueur put his finger unerringly on the real point at issue: “The problem with humanism as such is that, although rational, secular, and ‘true,’ it is, in comparison with major religions, somewhat wishy-washy and just plain unexciting.”
Le Sueur recognizes atheism as derivative, its attraction residing primarily in what it denies rather than what it articulates as an alternative. So does atheism have a future?
No doubt it does—but not an especially distinguished or exciting future. Listen to John Updike: “Among the repulsions of atheism for me has been its drastic uninterestingness as an intellectual position.” I have to confess that I now share his catatonic sense of utter tedium when I reread some of the atheist works I once found fascinating as a teenager. They now seem simplistic, failing to engage with the complexities of human experience, and seriously out of tune with our postmodern culture.
Atheism must insist that its colorblind view accurately reflects reality. Most of us, however, see colors–some of us constantly, some in dazzling glimpses. Increasingly, people are refusing to pretend otherwise.
So will atheism fade quietly away? That depends. McGrath says:
The future of atheism will be determined by its religious rivals. Those atheists looking for a surefire way to increase their appeal need only to hope for harsh, vindictive, and unthinking forms of religion to arise in the West.
If he’s right, the future of atheism depends upon whether the religous among us exhibit harsh, vindictive, and unthinking forms of Christianity–colors so ugly and harsh that people draw back, close their eyes, pretend to see only gray. That terrifies me: Someone may close her eyes to Christ, so as not to see me.
Christians know that our sins are, every day, counted as Christ’s; God counts them so. We need to be mindful that the unbeliever counts them so as well.

I agree with Sean: this is certainly a thoughtful post that studiously avoids moralizing and turns the camera lens inward on theism (specifically, Christianity) - definitely refreshing.
However, I do have a bone to pick with the article writer’s argument against atheism, so I’ll have more later.
Well, it’s good in a way, but when we get to the supposed flaws of atheism, it makes me feel like I’m gonna have a fuckin’ stroke.
I do, too, Eve. Especially the argument that humanism and secularism are “unexciting.” Forget for a moment that the concept of the marketability of an idea should validate/invalidate it… I find humanism very exciting, much more so than afterlife-ism, or pat-myself-on-the-back-cuz-at-least-I-went-to-confession-ism. I have plenty of bones to pick with those arguments against the appeal of our position. But part of me is waiting to hear others weigh in first, which is why I kept my original comments spare.
Yes, Ford, I agree with that, too. It’s kinda hard to see the thoughtful theists reveal how they really think, huh? It’s in some ways more disturbing than the screaming loonies. It’s like watching a good friend descend into madness. You can empathize, and go with them to a certain point, and then you go “Jeeez. What’s happening to you??”
What is interesting is that on both sides we feel the same thing: that we are staring into the abyss, as the saying goes, and the abyss is also staring into us. We see the world taken over by religious maniacs as our greatest fear. They see no religion, and — as John Lennon put it — all the people, living for today, as their greatest fear.
There is a gulf between us for sure. Maybe belief/disbelief is literally hard-wired in the brain. That’s some research I would support funding.
McGrath also points out what atheism does not do. As one might expect of a negative philosophy–one based on what it is not, rather than on what it is–atheism, while fairly adept at criticizing belief in a Creator-God and a personality-steeped universe, can’t offer a viable alternative. McGrath says:
These theists just don’t get it. They cannot comprehend that there is no Santa Claus. Atheism isn’t “negative philosophy” it’s one based on rationality and reason. Anything that goes against theists’ sky daddy beliefs is negative to them. Atheists have offered a viable alternative…it’s called FREETHOUGHT and REALITY. I hate it when xians argue that it is ME who is not freethinking because I won’t accept their gawd beliefs. I always tell them freethought does NOT mean GULLIBLE. I was a xian, know a lot about xianity, and have REJECTED it as anything except mythology of our culture.
If these people NEED a viable alternative, they need the crutch of fantasy. They are weak.
It is sick that so much money is thrown away on this bullcrap, as if they expect it to actually prove something.
Hmm… looks like “handshake” propaganda to me.
Marcus, Sean, & Lya:
When reading the posts and responses this morning on your website, I noticed that my response yesterday was deleted and was not responded by any of you three.
I don’t know why…maybe, you have some reasons for deleting it. BTW, it was just a sort of compliment, you know. You’re so brilliant as I observed, and I just asked a very simple question which I believe you could answer very well that would eventually giving me the “enlightenment” to love “REason”.
You claimed that anything taught by any religion is outright lie, and that God’s existence is purely imaginary. You see, archeology tells us that every discovered civilization had religion in it. It is then logical to believe that religion is as old as man; that the belief of God is traceable to the first existing human beings. Does it imply the truthfulness of God’s existence?
saved, are you just going from post to fucking post copying and pasting that same damn comment?
Ford says: saved, are you just going from post to fucking post copying and pasting that same damn comment?
Apparently so; I get the impression he/she thinks it’s a brilliant question that’s going to stump us dumb “non-believers.”
In general, the reviewer chooses quotes from McGrath that in their turn contain quotes that mostly describe atheism negatively as “unexciting” and “uninteresting,” and then concludes that atheism is “colorblind.” We could infer from this that she is saying that atheists fear, dismiss, ignore, and/or are indifferent to humanity’s huge multitude and variety of religions and belief systems both past, present, and possibly future, leading to their being “boring.”
In my opinion, atheists are exactly the opposite, the same thing she is claiming between the lines that theists are; the sheer weight of the numbers of so many atheists/agnostics who are also students of humanity on its many levels belies the accusation. Among others, anthropologists, biologists, archaeologists, mythologists (is there such a word?), folklorists, philosophers, ethno botanists, psychologists, fantasists, instructors/tutors/mentors, and yes, even theologians subscribe to the philosophy she seems to imply McGrath, Le Sueur, Updike, and herself find so uninteresting.
Does “boring” accurately describe the Indian atheist who often risks his life debunking his country’s “holy men” who bleed naïve, fearful villagers dry by playing on their superstitions? Is it “unexciting” for the Caribbean atheist to descend into neighborhoods so poor and overcrowded many people don’t even have shacks to live in to hand out condoms even though most will throw them away because the local priest told them wearing them was a sin? Or is the agnostic archaeologist being “wishy-washy” (my favorite) in applying again and again for and being again and again denied permission to excavate what is commonly considered Jesus’ tomb in Jerusalem?
For theists to call atheists/agnostics colorblind is to blind themselves to *our* colors and by extension, the very colors of the world they claim to be able to see more clearly than we do. We could just as easily turn the argument around and claim that in their certainty that their religion is the “right” one, for example, they are the ones truly blind to the infinitely dazzling colors of humanity.
Hey, where is that one nice semi-theist person that used to comment here? I think it was Dena? Something like that? I can’t remember, but has she been around lately or has she ceased to comment?
****Attention GiFSers****
Do not answer Saved. Saved is a sock puppet as is Sanctified for our old xian moron, Rolie Acot.
Again, do not answer Saved- appropriate moderaters will remove the cut/paste posts.
…a fear, often merited, of what might happen if religious maniacs were to take over the world.
Actually, for me it’s more of an unhappiness with the fact that religious maniacs have ALREADY taken over the world.
One thing that annoys the hell out of me about McGrath’s argument is the overwhleming prevalence of these content-free, value-laden adjectives: “colorless, unexciting, wishy-washy, derivative, tedious, catatonic, uninteresting, etc.” Repeated over and over and over again hypnotically. It’s a dishonest argumentative style designed for emotional, rather than logical, appeal.
As far as theistic posts go, though, this one is pretty top notch. I definitely do believe that we godless folks will have far more influence indirectly, through our critiques of religion, than we will actually “converting” people. (That certainly doesn’t make it any less important for us to keep speaking out.)
Eve: Excellent. All I can say is “bravo.”
Ford said: Hey, where is that one nice semi-theist person that used to comment here? I think it was Dena? Something like that? I can’t remember, but has she been around lately or has she ceased to comment?
Dena May, yes. She had to take care of some shit in her personal life, so she hasn’t been around these days:
http://denammay.blogspot.com/
I went to the source of this at Wittingshire and was interested to note that comments are not enabled. In typical ‘imaginary friend’ style dissent is not allowed, somebody might say something that might undermine their precious and, apparently, precarious beliefs.
“Do not answer Saved.”
I already did answer that question on another thread. I see no point in answering it again.
Sportin’ Life: One thing that annoys the hell out of me about McGrath’s argument is the overwhleming prevalence of these content-free, value-laden adjectives: “colorless, unexciting, wishy-washy, derivative, tedious, catatonic, uninteresting, etc.” Repeated over and over and over again hypnotically.
Exactly, making him, the theist, the one who’s colorless, unexciting, wishy-washy, derivative, tedious, catatonic, and uninteresting.
Although xianity for example is quite exciting: the persecution of heretics, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, intolerance, bigotry - oh yeah, it’s exciting all right. But it’s a type of excitement I for one could do without.
Yeah, that kind of excitement is like the Chinese curse: “May you live in interesting times.”
As the above mentioned “Le Sueur”, I claim (like so many Christians), that I have been misunderstood. What I think I meant to say was that lurid fiction may (sometimes) be more entertaining than boring old facts,–but,- is that all that religion is for,-to be entertaining? A pantomime, a piece of theatre, -no matter whether it is true or not?
I think I will stick with boring old rational atheism and humanism, and leave Christianity to the happy-clappies.