Joey Ratzo asks a good question
29 May 2006 by RonJoey Ratzo, former Hitler Youth member and the Vatican’s Prefect of Inquisition (see the earlier post, The new Pope: From Hitler youth to Prefect of Inquisition), has asked an excellent question (German-born pope laments Holocaust crimes):
Pope Benedict XVI visited the Auschwitz concentration camp as “a son of the German people” Sunday and asked God why he remained silent during the “unprecedented mass crimes” of the Holocaust… “To speak in this place of horror, in this place where unprecedented mass crimes were committed against God and man, is almost impossible — and it is particularly difficult and troubling for a Christian, for a pope from Germany… In a place like this, words fail; in the end, there can be only a dread silence, a silence which itself is a heartfelt cry to God: Why, Lord, did you remain silent? How could you tolerate all this?”
Excellent question, Joey. Gold star for you. And while we’re at it: “Why didn’t you tell me not to join the Hitler Youth? And why didn’t you tell Pius to oppose the deportation and slaughter of Jews?” Man, that God is one hands-off deity. It’s almost like He, I dunno, doesn’t really give a shit. Or doesn’t actually exist. You know, like that.
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29 May 2006, on 9:19 am
That’s the primary argument against. God either doesn’t exist (my contention), is arbitrary, or is neutral (ala Switzerland), thus helping evil. In any case, he’s not part of the equation.
29 May 2006, on 9:29 am
Fools! Gott was on the side of the Germans because he was no longer the Gott of the Jews- and hadn’t been since that Jeebus fella come along(oh, and he hadn’t paid no never mind to that Mohammered blip circa 632). HIS Original Plan was for the Germans to kill all the Jews- and the Brits and the surrender monkey French, for the Russians to kill all the Germans, for the Americans to kill all the Russians, for the Chinese, after a brief pause, to kill all the Americans, and for Avian Influenza to kill all the chicken-f*cking Chinese and whatever else was left. Then the virus would evolve into a quasitadpole, grow legs, lungs, and a ballsack, repopulate the land, and be called the “Nephlegm”. But halfway through, God said “This is Hard! Hard work! I’m working too hard. It’s Hard work!”, threw up His hands and went off to join the Interstellar Foreign Legion- or “Magnetic Service”, where he began a homosexual relationship with Kryon, His drill instructor. Eventually, the two were married in a spectacular horseshoe nebula down Altair way and began squeezing out asshole babies straight down a pipeline to Washington, DC. Today, God lives alone- having caught the philandering Kryon schtupping a human named Lee Carroll and divorced him- with four or more cats and spends His days listening to Tori Amos and Kate Bush while tatting Irish lace tea cozies. So, God’s Plan, these days is to do more Kegel exorcizing.
29 May 2006, on 9:52 am
What’s funny is that all these elder dudes in the Catholic church seem to be saying out of the sides of their mouths for some time now: “He’s not there… Ya get it? We’re on our own. I should know, I have seen a lot of shit, been around the block. You’d think if he was gonna talk to someone, he’d talk to me.”
But if so, why don’t they just kinda come out and say it: “We’re on our own. Please use condoms wisely and accordingly”? We need a Vatican III.
29 May 2006, on 11:18 am
To be fair, the Hitler Youth was the Boy Scouts of the Third Reich. You can hardly blame children for having been members.
I think it’s pretty clear from the quote in the post that the guy’s not a fan of Hitler at this point.
29 May 2006, on 11:56 am
Raindogzilla, you are one f–king certifiable funny bastard.
29 May 2006, on 1:04 pm
Was Hitler ever excommunicated? Would that qualify — I mean, in addition to other things, like reporting a priest-pedophile to the secular authorities? Just wondering.
29 May 2006, on 1:23 pm
From: Jadwiga Biskupska (Cornell University), “Hitler & Triumph of the Will: A Nazi Religion in the Catholic Style” in Undergraduate Quarterly, September/November 2004, page 147 (URL: http://www.undergradquarterly.com/EJournal/2004Q2/Biskupska.pdf):
Catholicism and Nazism have a more complicated relationship than some might think. Hitler both despised and admired various aspects of the Roman Catholic Church. Though the Nazi movement was superficially areligious, even anti-religious, the Nazi’s greatest piece of propaganda and self-aggrandizement, Leni Riefenstahl’s 1934 film about the Nuremberg Party Rally, Triumph of the Will, is in many ways profoundly religious. The film both makes use of Catholic religious imagery and draws on the Catholic sacramental tradition to give dignity and legitimacy to its construction of Adolf Hitler as the “god” of the Nazi movement… Since the beginning, Catholicism and Nazism had an uncomfortable coexistence. They jarred long before Riefenstahl began filming Hitler’s rally in the summer of 1934… The Concordat, along with many other more famous agreements and treaties signed by the Fuehrer, was quickly violated, and the Church was ineffective in protecting Catholics from all manner of religious and cultural harassment. Alfred Rosenberg, the closest Nazism as an ideology ever came to having a philosopher, was consistently and virulently anti-Catholic… Hitler himself was not purely or simply anti-Catholic or anti-Church, and certainly not so before his rise to power. He was a baptized Catholic, as was his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, and a number of other prominent members of his administration. Interestingly, though both men rejected their Catholic faith and recognized that they had excommunicated themselves, neither ever formally left the Church and dutifully continued to pay church taxes until their respective deaths. Hitler’s own mother, to whom he was very close, was a devoted Catholic, and Hitler received Catholic schooling during his childhood in Austria… In his extensive, often contradictory writings and “table-talk,” Hitler reveals an ambivalent attitude toward the Catholic Church. As an institution on German soil, he is very much opposed to it, and he ridicules the teachings of Church fathers and the practice of the Catholic faith… he detested the doctrines, of the Roman Church… Institutionalized religion, in Hitler’s view, was a waning phenomenon…
29 May 2006, on 2:24 pm
Raindog, it’s the cheese-eating surrender monkey French.
29 May 2006, on 10:57 pm
raindogzilla, you are a master wordsmith. You’ve truly been touched by the FSM’s noodly appendages.
29 May 2006, on 11:10 pm
Raindog
Damn I wish I had said that. ROTFLMAO. I understand that Kegel exercises are fantastic conditioning for pelvic thrusts.
30 May 2006, on 1:33 am
i do’nt think that god gave a shit about the holocaust either. if he does exist he or it is not worthy of worship of any sort.
30 May 2006, on 1:58 am
I think the Pope may be the silliest person in the whole wide world. He wears funny white dresses, sparkly headgear, and, if he wasn’t at least theoretically celibate, he’d be the biggest drag queen- also in the whole wide world(well, RuPaul is actually bigger). I understand how, pathetic as it seems, folks can believe in the A-dult I-maginary F-riend- being taught to do so since birth, being disinclined to birth an original thought, being scared of the big bad world, yada, yada, yada, but to believe that this buffoon speaks for the A.I.F., that he’s anything more than a reject from a nonexistent Monty Python sketch called “The Ministry of Silly Hats” just flat out boggles my mind. Seems to me that humans, like a lawnmower, ought to have encoded in their DNA a “deadman” or “kill” switch that would shut the body down when no one was at the helm. Sure, recreational drug users would have to figure out a way to override the self-destruct or kick their habits but the fundies would drop like flies and we could call it the “Rapture”.
30 May 2006, on 2:07 am
raindog:
“The Ministry of Silly Hats”
Ha! Society clearly needs this very thing.
You’re right. Can you imagine how the pope actually feels as they stick that stupid hat on his head? His ego is bursting at the seams in one corner, and his shame at participating in a 5-year-old’s dress-up party is flaming away in the other. It is goofy beyond words, and I am sure he knows it.
30 May 2006, on 2:05 pm
I was raised Catholic. The first time they sent me to church on my own I went. After that not so much. and within about 3 months not at all. I haven’t been back since 1973 except one funeral and one wedding. The point is that after 17 years of indoctrination it still seemed too fanciful for me to be abelieving in leprechauns.
They have fixated on one moment in time that most likely did NOT exist. And the idea that they are just playing dress up is so real. Pretty much like civil war reenactment. A moment fixed in time that will never change no matter how many times they run the scenario.
I say give it up already enough is enough.I am reminded of the MP skit “The Bishop” The Bishop The Bishop The Bishop.
30 May 2006, on 3:50 pm
Geez, Joey; talk about “too little too late…”
raindogzilla, thank you for clearing up that part about god and Kryon no longer being together; Kryon really wishes people would stop harping about that already.
30 May 2006, on 6:00 pm
raindog:
“The Ministry of Silly Hats”
Sean:
Ha! Society clearly needs this very thing.
Wouldn’t change a thing.