Muslim Women Eating Spaghetti!
14 July 2006 by StardustI provided the link to this in a comment about Allah on an Egg, but it’s too damn funny to leave buried! Happy Friday!
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14 July 2006, on 8:03 am
That’s funny, but also, in a way, enormously sad. Look at the way the one woman has to wipe her nose with her napkin after completing a bite. Not her mouth, but her nose. It’s a damned shame that people are treated like slaves right here in 2006. Fuck their “tradition.” It’s a sick, sexist religion and that’s all there is to it.
14 July 2006, on 8:11 am
I don’t think it’s real. Even in a burqa, it would be much easier to eat from below like the woman on the left than to try and do it from above like the other. I think they’re fake, which in no way eases my condemnation for a society that treats women that way.
14 July 2006, on 8:29 am
RDZ,
“Even in a burqa, it would be much easier to eat from below like the woman on the left than to try and do it from above like the other.”
I don’t know, man. I’ve seen people here screw up the simplest actions, so I still think it’s possible.
14 July 2006, on 8:32 am
Sean, yes…funny as the video is to watch, it is sad that women are forced to live like this and even the ones who live here are “overlorded” by their husbands. I attended a university where there were a small number of female muslim students who wore the black gown and veil. They kept totally to themselves outside of classes. However, there are many who firmly believe they are obeying Allah and would not give up the garb even if they were set free to do so. (Like Amish women and their bonnets and aprons)
I always wonder how they must suffer in the extreme heat with having to be all covered up. I always feel bad that they cannot feel the breeze upon their skin and through their hair. I would go insane all wrapped up like that. They are imprisoned in cloth. They can’t even enjoy a simple thing like eating a plate of spaghetti!
My son has a Pakistani woman in his “required” cultural awareness class. She was talking about how great it is to be able to walk around without the garb, drive a car, hold a job, go to school and study what she wants, etc. The professor (who has an agenda to make white people look the worst he can) tried to get her to say things about preserving her culture and asked if she didn’t find it important to hang onto her cultural identity and religious traditions and she said that though there are family “traditions” just as in any culture, there are religious aspects she says should be left behind.
14 July 2006, on 8:34 am
I don’t think it’s real. Even in a burqa, it would be much easier to eat from below like the woman on the left than to try and do it from above like the other.
I have seen this in the cafeteria at the university I attended. I saw a woman eat a sandwich through the TOP, and another ate salad the same way. I kid you not!
14 July 2006, on 10:23 am
Okay, it’s real. I just don’t see how a woman can stand for that kind of abuse. It’s kinda like the battered woman thing. You know, I’m like “hit me once, and never see me again. I’m out of here.”(I don’t get it when they stay with the bastards- there’s shelters, courts, government assistance, all kinds of help out there. I just don’t see any excuse).
I mean, I realize, for Muslim women, in their home countries, that’s not possible, but, here, or in another western nation, if they don’t just say “fuck this” and leave the insecure bastards that have ‘em locked down, then, well, good luck to them. You can’t save those who don’t want- or think they need, help. Yeah, yeah, centuries of brutalization and an ingrained culture of subservience but if it’s just the religion thing that keeps them stuck at home, then somebody needs to fill them in on the history of being garbed thusly- how it had nothing to do with modesty but, rather, with safety precautions to keep women from being stolen from their camps by other raiding nomads in the desert, how it isn’t in the Quran but part of sharia law, how it’s about as religiously valid(we’ll save the fact that religion itself is invalid for later) as the idiotic practice of keeping dairy separate from meat, or not eating pork for both branches of the semitic.
Fucking dumbasses.
14 July 2006, on 10:47 am
Watch the guy’s eyes who is reading the newspaper near them.
14 July 2006, on 11:30 am
Ok, Raindog—you were right that this video is a parody. I received a comment from parge on my blog who told me:
This is actually a stunt done by a british comedy troupe called “3 Non-Blondes”. It’s basically a no-holds-barred candid camera show. Very funny: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/tv/3_nonblondes/
However, like I said, I have seen them struggling to eat this way with my own eyes and maybe that’s the point of this spoof — to show how ridiculous it is.
14 July 2006, on 11:32 am
it’s real. and it’s sad. i love the site admin, keep up the good work.
14 July 2006, on 12:57 pm
Okay. Spoof or no, as The Onion and The Daily Show have illustrated for us, satire holds some of the greatest truths about our society right now. So right on to them for doing this.
RDZ said:
You know, I’m like “hit me once, and never see me again. I’m out of here.”(I don’t get it when they stay with the bastards- there’s shelters, courts, government assistance, all kinds of help out there. I just don’t see any excuse).
I mean, I realize, for Muslim women, in their home countries, that’s not possible, but, here, or in another western nation, if they don’t just say “fuck this” and leave the insecure bastards that have ‘em locked down, then, well, good luck to them.
I have been involved in group counseling with battered women here in the States and even in our much more “liberal” society, the programming that these women have received throughout their lives is astonishing. When you are a little girl, play with Barbie. Barbie’s ultimate goal in all things is to be beautiful for Ken. Have tea parties with your stuffed animals. The animals can often be babies. You are six years old. The programming continues right up through high school: take “home economics” — a cleverly named course designed to simply teach you to be a stay-at-home mom (I took home ec, by the way).
Add to that the hundreds of magazine articles and commercials you are bombarded with week after week showing how you can make yourself more desirable, how to make love to your man for his ultimate pleasure, how to behave properly at your husband’s business function… And all our new stuff, thanks to the Limbaughs of the world: don’t be too pushy or demanding, or make some stupid hippie reference to women’s rights. That will just make you a “femi-Nazi” and no one will want to date you.
My sister’s college freshmen think “feminist” is a bad thing to be labeled. They have no idea what their mothers and grandmothers fought for on this front. They have been sold the lie that feminists just “hate men.”
The short of it is, women stay in bad relationships even in a supposedly free society for a variety of reasons that have to do with how they were programmed to believe they would not be complete without a man. Many of the abused women I have seen are also financially dependent on the man and when the time comes to get the hell out, they can’t. Right here in ol’ liberal S.F., the scenario continues to play out. I can’t tell you how many strong-minded women I know, who could have had extensive careers all their own, have just walked away from those careers to become full-time moms. Fine, as long as your relationship with your husband is stable and loving. But what happens if it goes sour in 10 years and you have no credentials to re-enter the job market?
On a smaller scale than having to wear burqas, but very powerful nonetheless, has anyone read Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America by Barbara Ehrenreich? Great book.
14 July 2006, on 4:17 pm
This is sad. What’s even sadder is the headscarves/burkas have become some sort of civil liberties issue in France.
How many centuries of psychological battery does it take for this to happen?
14 July 2006, on 5:14 pm
RDZ said: “You know, I’m like “hit me once, and never see me again. I’m out of here.”(I don’t get it when they stay with the bastards- there’s shelters, courts, government assistance, all kinds of help out there. I just don’t see any excuse).”
You’d be surprised. Currently I’ve become the Yoda my ex girlfriend was looking for, as her boyfriend is fucking psycho and there are periods where it gets quasi physical. She came back to me for help but refuses to listen, citing the cliched “I don’t want to be alone” and the “He supports me” thing. His family, sans sister even supports the asshole. His father has told my ex that if she breaks up with him she can never see his sister again (they’re best friends).
You have no idea how hard it was to convince my ex that he was full of shit.
She used to call me up crying because he was such a bastard, but she won’t leave. You have no idea how many nights I’ve held her while she just bawled. And then the next day she’d go right back over. It’s frusterating (Howard Dean has nothing on me) and completely and utterly heart breaking every time she tells me that “it’s better now” because it always falls apart again, and the worst thing: I’ve predicted EXACTLY how long it would take every single time.
I think, however, that I’ve finally gotten through. She has eliminated every and all reason to stay with him, so I’ll have to wait and see what kind of excuse she comes up with now.
But everyone always asks how these women can stay. You have no idea how heart breaking, sad, and frusterating it is when you actually experience it. They’re not stupid, they’re not gluttons for punishment, they may be religious, but most of the time they are desperate for love, and attention. They want security. These men offer them so much of it during the “honeymoon period” that when the violence finally occurs they always assume this too shall pass.
I’m not a violent man but I’m about ready to beat his face against the fryer at the Wing Stop he works at.
Suffice to say, I got some kind of perverse pleasure while I was copying a script at a Kinkos near where he works. He came walking by and I was, for whatever reason, dancing in place (and looking like a complete idiot) and when he came by I did that exaggerated YOU point and starting moving my hips. The look on his face was priceless.
14 July 2006, on 5:55 pm
Don’t get me wrong. I’ve got exactly zero tolerance for a man who abuses women. I’ve spent a couple nights in jail for showing one such cretin what it feels like to be on the receiving end of the fists. I’ve seen what Matt and Sean describe up close as well and actually physically extricated my sister from a violent situation with the help of some large cousins- almost got sued by the bar we wrecked on that one. So, I don’t discount it. I just don’t get what kind of warped psyche it takes to equate abuse with love- but it takes more than playing with Barbies to get that way, I think. I mean, it’s like Syd and the drugs, they have to be damaged going in for things to play out the way they do. I actually had my sister screaming at me for getting in her scumbag ex’s face, like some shitty scene off of “COPS”- except I had a shirt on and was speaking in complete sentences. She had seen the light, though, by the time he went through the plate glass and out into the street and never darkened his doorway again.
14 July 2006, on 6:07 pm
RDZ says: “She had seen the light, though, by the time he went through the plate glass and out into the street and never darkened his doorway again.”
I’ve always wanted to throw someone through a plate glass window.
But like I said, eventually I managed to turn it around and she’s come to realize that they have no long term relationship. Suffice to say, Yoda works. Now if only Yoda could get himself some.
Love Yoda, you do. Kiss on the cheek, please give.
14 July 2006, on 6:39 pm
RDZ,
There are a lot of idiots like that in my neck of the woods, too- or rather, my neck of the grassy expanse.
15 July 2006, on 4:58 am
It’s fake. I live in a Muslim county and they always take off the mouth cover before eating.
15 July 2006, on 5:18 am
This is totally not a real life of muslims…no muslim would eat anything that way…either most of you here are stupid or not sensitive with other people cutlture…Arabs made up only 20-30% of the muslim all over the world…the rest 70% are not arabs and they dont used burka. Muslim women not as stupid as shown on this video to eat spaghetti in that way!!!Open up your eyes bigger and bigger!!! Search on map and learn about other muslim around the world and differenciate the culture and religion…
Welcome to malaysia!!
15 July 2006, on 9:22 am
It’s fake. I live in a Muslim county and they always take off the mouth cover before eating.
Donnie - Then what about the muslims I saw eating this way with my own eyes? I am an older, educated person with a Masters degree and have no reason to make this up. The ones I saw were alone (not together like the spoof video), sitting at a table towards the back of the cafeteria and put food “under” the veil. Were the muslims who went to my university the ones who are just ignorant to the fact that they don’t HAVE to do this? Or were they really strict muslim fundamentalists? From what I know, they are not allowed to take off the veil even for eating when there are men around.
15 July 2006, on 9:59 am
This is totally not a real life of muslims…no muslim would eat anything that way…either most of you here are stupid or not sensitive with other people cutlture
Donnie and Koraro - This website is to make fun of believers everywhere. When making fun of these believers everywhere, we do not discriminate against any delusional people who believe in an invisible sky daddy and who do ridiculous, stupid or even dangerous things in the name of this sky daddy.
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15 July 2006, on 10:03 am
Our two new folks,
“It’s fake. I live in a Muslim county and they always take off the mouth cover before eating.”
“This is totally not a real life of muslims…no muslim would eat anything that way…”
Well, thanks for commenting, new people. However:
Donnie,
Despite this being a joke, I’m sure every one of the Muslims of the world are exactly like the ones in your area. I’m so glad you cleared that up for us!
Kotaro,
I wouldn’t say that we’re stupid; I would say we’re not insensitive to culture, but to religion. I’m sure you think that we’ve never been anywhere but our own backyards, but I’m confident that most of us here have travelled outside of our own country more often than you.
Normally, I would not highlight the problems in your own country as that is the height of rudness when first meeting someone of a different culture (yes, I know, most of your tourists do this)- I would have talked to you about Malaysia’s biomet ID cards and how they worked; I would have exaulted the amazing Malaysian gift for architecture (the Petronas towers are awesome, by the way).
But since you chide us and conclude that we are not as “world wise” as you for playing about on our own website, I will instead be an ass and say this:
Malaysia, despite the relative calm of its population, has a constitutional imperative that makes ALL MALAYSIANS MUSLIM REGARDLESS OF THEIR BELIEFS. All other beliefs are systematically opressed in some way by the government. All Malay muslims are required to follow sharia. So, if you’re so cosmopolitan, why haven’t you and the rest of the Malay citizenry changed your laws to allow greater freedom?
PS- I like my allah burger with lots of bacon.
15 July 2006, on 10:04 am
Donnie and Koraro: It has already been established that this video is spoof. Whether it is representative of any real situation or not, it is making a political point. We think the extreme sexism inherint in Islam (notice I didn’t say fundamentlist Islam — I mean all of Islam) is sick, just like we think all multi-millenia-old, backwards-ass religious beliefs are sick. Get the picture?
15 July 2006, on 10:31 am
Marcus said:
I’m sure you think that we’ve never been anywhere but our own backyards, but I’m confident that most of us here have travelled outside of our own country more often than you.
Yes. I get sick of that presumption.
To our friends outside of America: can we just establish the fact here and now that a web site called “God is for Suckers!” is not representative of what you view as typical isolationist, culturally insensitive America? We’re the ones here on the inside of the Great Satan that you should be making friends with. Yes, we have actually been to other countries and are aware of their existence and histories. Also, if you live in metropolitan America like I have all my life (New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco), you have been exposed to more cultures than you can say about living in almost any other place in the world.
I have known Germans, Chinese, Austrians, Brazilians, Vietnamese, Welsh, Swedes, Pakistanis, Scots, Israelis, Danes, Brits, Kiwis, Iranians (even — gasp — Iranian atheists!), Australians, Indians, Palestinians, Cornish, Lebanese, French, Native-Americans, Koreans, Irish, Portuguese, Kenyans… The list goes on. Don’t presume to tell me how worldly I am. Despite what you may see on the news about fucking Kansas (sorry, Marcus), those of us in places like San Francisco still live in the world’s greatest melting pot.
15 July 2006, on 10:42 am
So, if you’re so cosmopolitan, why haven’t you and the rest of the Malay citizenry changed your laws to allow greater freedom?
Great question, Marcus.
15 July 2006, on 10:49 am
Sean,
“Despite what you may see on the news about fucking Kansas (sorry, Marcus)…”
Hey, I just have to live here, man; I don’t in the least identify here.
Star,
Word.
15 July 2006, on 12:30 pm
Matt: They’re not stupid, they’re not gluttons for punishment, they may be religious, but most of the time they are desperate for love, and attention. They want security. These men offer them so much of it during the “honeymoon period” that when the violence finally occurs they always assume this too shall pass.
I could not agree more. Being the child of an abusive relationship (not physical, but nonetheless harmful), the “honeymoon” period comment especially struck home for me. My dad would cry, promise never to do it again, be super sweet in the week that followed, give presents, shower my mom with love and affection…
It’s very, very difficult to say no when the person you love is weeping and promising you that it will never happen again. Even when you know from past experience that it will, the thing is that they believe that it won’t. They honestly think they’ll do better this time, and they want to. It’s a poisonous merry-go-round.
15 July 2006, on 4:17 pm
Marcus:
That’s what I meant. Sorry you have to live there.
15 July 2006, on 4:20 pm
It’s a poisonous merry-go-round.
Well put, Julie.
18 July 2006, on 10:34 pm
As someone who experienced verbal abuse, I can add that another element in remaining with your abuser is that the abused often believes he/she is responsible for it. I used to blame myself for provoking the verbal abuse heaped on my head; I’d think, “Why am I so dumb? If I weren’t so stupid, they wouldn’t get so fed up with me and yell at me.” It took a while but I was able to rewire my mind, so to speak, and get out of the relationship.
It’s possible that misogynistic systems like fundy islam and xianity also perpetuate their misogyny by keeping women convinced they deserve to be “led;” I’m sure many Muslim women continue to firmly believe that since allah says they’re secondary/inferior, it’s allah’s will to submit to their men.