Oh, Sweet Justice: “Dr. Dino” Kent Hovind Arrested
15 July 2006 by Sean
Thanks to Chris for sending this in!
Our old friend, Creationist lunatic and young-earther Kent Hovind has been “arrested on 58 federal charges, including failing to pay $473,818 in employee-related taxes and making threats against investigators.”
Kent Hovind: Evangelist arrested on federal charges
A Pensacola evangelist who owns the defunct Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola was arrested Thursday on 58 federal charges, including failing to pay $473,818 in employee-related taxes and making threats against investigators.
Of the 58 charges, 44 were filed against Kent Hovind and his wife, Jo, for evading bank reporting requirements as they withdrew $430,500 from AmSouth Bank between July 20, 2001, and Aug. 9, 2002.
At the couple’s first court appearance Thursday before U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis, Kent Hovind professed not to understand why he is being prosecuted. Some 20 supporters were in the courtroom.
“I still don’t understand what I’m being charged for and who is charging me,” he said.
Kent Hovind, who often calls himself “Dr. Dino,” has been sparring with the IRS for at least 17 years on his claims that he is employed by God, receives no income, has no expenses and owns no property.
Oops! Welcome to reality, Kent!
More.
15 July 2006, on 6:03 pm
“I still don’t understand what I’m being charged for and who is charging me,” he said.
I guess we can add illiteracy to the list of charges.
15 July 2006, on 6:33 pm
“claims that he is employed by God, receives no income, has no expenses and owns no property.”
Boy, I sure hope he has some paperwork to back up the first claim ’cause that’d shut up all us godless atheists. As for the other claims I wonder how he eats and where he sleeps…
15 July 2006, on 6:50 pm
I was bummed out after the war discussion, and when I got back from shopping and read this it made my day! Sweet justice is right on, Sean!
has been sparring with the IRS for at least 17 years on his claims that he is employed by God
I wonder if Gawd can come testify for him on the witness stand???
15 July 2006, on 7:10 pm
Ain’t it sweet, Star?
15 July 2006, on 8:30 pm
I’d personally be more impressed if Kevin Harris came to testify for him- or maybe a dinosaur.
15 July 2006, on 9:16 pm
If I may borrow from The Simpsons:
Doctor on Panel – “Uh, what are you doing?”
Marge – “Um…I’m praying to God.”
Doctor – “Um hmm, and this ‘God’, is he in the room right now?”
Marge – “Well, yes. He’s everywhere.”
Doctor – “Mm Hmm.”
Marge – “I’m not crazy!”
If the world was sane, that’s how everyone would answer retarded claims about “working for God”. I wonder how convinced Kent will be that God’s up there watching over him after he spends some time in a federal PMITA prison.
15 July 2006, on 10:13 pm
Isn’t employment without wages the same as slavery?
15 July 2006, on 11:12 pm
“Scripture also says ‘Render unto Caesar what Caesar demands.’ And right now, Caesar demands a building permit,” County Commission Chairman Mike Whitehead said.
This is from a news article awhile back, when they were on him about not getting a buildilng permit. It makes me laugh every time I read it, especially knowing that it’s being said by someone in a bureaucratic position. Hee
16 July 2006, on 12:16 am
Catherine: Yes! I have quoted that Caesar line back many times. It’s fucking hilarious.
16 July 2006, on 12:51 am
I missed that quote from the County Commission Chairman last time. That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in a week. The great thing is, it’s totally secular. Mike Whitehead could be a theist or not, it still makes sense and it’s still funny.
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My neighborhood is still fighting the little 600 sq foot church that moved in to the top of our neighborhood… and then moved in a 1500sq ft mobile home to house the “preacher.” Total eye sore, big, ugly, nasty mobile home is the first thing you see when you drive into my nice neighborhood. Compeletely against the building codes and plat restrictions, but there’s nothing we can do since that lot is not actually part of our neighborhood.
So, my daughter and I will be stopping to pick up every illegal (in the right-of-way) sign we find tomorrow night on the way home. Then we’ll spray paint over whatever “important message” is on the sign (most likely “we buy houses!” or “Single in Austin?”) and then stencil on top “MOVE THE MOBILE HOME”. I’m planning on doing about 20 of them and putting them all over the church property late next Saturday night so they’ll be seen on Sunday morning. Halle-Loo-Ya.
I’ll sprinkle a few more nearby but more inside the neighborhood so the neighbors can enjoy them too since the churchies will undoubtably pull them all up fairly early Sunday morning.
16 July 2006, on 1:40 am
Randy! Says:
My neighborhood is still fighting the little 600 sq foot church that moved in to the top of our neighborhood… and then moved in a 1500sq ft mobile home to house the “preacher.” Total eye sore, big, ugly, nasty mobile home is the first thing you see when you drive into my nice neighborhood. Compeletely against the building codes and plat restrictions, but there’s nothing we can do since that lot is not actually part of our neighborhood.
So, my daughter and I will be stopping to pick up every illegal (in the right-of-way) sign we find tomorrow night on the way home. Then we’ll spray paint over whatever “important message” is on the sign (most likely “we buy houses!” or “Single in Austin?”) and then stencil on top “MOVE THE MOBILE HOME”. I’m planning on doing about 20 of them and putting them all over the church property late next Saturday night so they’ll be seen on Sunday morning. Halle-Loo-Ya.
I’ll sprinkle a few more nearby but more inside the neighborhood so the neighbors can enjoy them too since the churchies will undoubtably pull them all up fairly early Sunday morning.
Go, Randy! Can you provide pictures?? If so, email them with the details of your adventure to god@gods4suckers.net and I will post them!
16 July 2006, on 2:58 am
I couldn’t quite resist giving my first “Hallelujah!” in two years when I read that bastard was getting arrested. Honestly, he’s the biggest biggot I’ve ever heard of, and a horrible man to try and debate, seeing as how he lacks even a trace of logic.
16 July 2006, on 11:29 am
So, Randy, you’ll let us know about bail, eh?
Just kidding. Go do it. But be careful, hell awaits.
16 July 2006, on 11:40 am
It’s so beautiful… I think I might weep.
16 July 2006, on 5:17 pm
God boys, god boys, wha-cha gonna do? Wha-cha gonna do when they come for you?
17 July 2006, on 9:25 am
heh. Maybe I’ll get to evangelize about how atheism can turn your life around while I’m in jail.
23 July 2006, on 6:00 pm
May I ask one question to all of you who are so glad that Kent Hovind has been arrested? Why are you so irritated by him if you don’t believe in what he says is true? I do agree, that you must pay unto Ceaser what is rightfully his, but lets see what happens in court. One fact is true…. we are all human and all sinners. The bible is clear on one thing and that is that all sins are equal. Therefore all of us have sinned. For that, each of us ARE going to be judged by God whether you like it or not, whether you believe in Him or not. And in Revelation it says that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that God is ruler….whether you want to or not.
23 July 2006, on 10:53 pm
Gualbert,
This man puts himself out there as some paragon of virtue, as some pillar of the community- all attributed to his religiousness. So, it’s funny when he blows a fuse, breaks a rule, and gets perp marched like the common criminal he is. That this may finally serve to shut his ridiculous, lying, creationist mouth is just icing on the cake.
23 July 2006, on 11:03 pm
Gualbert says:
The bible is clear on one thing and that is that all sins are equal.
Really? So if I lie on a job application that’s the same as killing and eating 17 human beings?
If so, you can keep your fucked up morality.
Therefore all of us have sinned. For that, each of us ARE going to be judged by God whether you like it or not, whether you believe in Him or not.
No, sorry. It doesn’t work that way. I don’t believe in your cruel gawd and I am certain I will not be judged by him, ever. And I will never bow to anyone. And by the way, while you are on your knees, you might as well…
23 July 2006, on 11:16 pm
And in Revelation it says that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that God is ruler….whether you want to or not.
But, hey, as long as there’s no pressure…
Seriously, though, so much for the evangelicals…
I mean, why waste your time trying to make happen what’s gonna happen anyway?…
24 July 2006, on 9:46 am
We are waiting for Kent to visit us here in SA.
If he is allowed to, will he run and hide from the law? I think not.
Reading all these comments, I find it very unfortunate that the USA, that we are supposed to admire, are so full of anti-democratic people that they cannot tolerate a man with his own beliefs. The darkest continent can learn a few things from Africa. When there is no-one in charge of you, then you are in charge. That is more scary than believing in a God. In GOD you TRUST NOT. And you are alone.
24 July 2006, on 10:51 am
Firstly, to Sean, to answer your question… yes if you lie, or steal or kill all is the same. The bible says that God is absolutely holy, meaning if we sin only once in life, we are damned to die. God sets this really high standard and no human being can ever obtain salvation. The bible also says that no adulterer, thief or lier will ever enter the kingdom of heaven. Now lets be honest, we are all guilty of all these already, and that is only 3 of the 10 commandments. That is the reason why Jesus was sent to die in our place for our sins on the cross. God is righteous and no iniquity can be found in Him. The best part of salvation is that it is free. You don’t need to pay any fee, or subscription. Just repent and turn from your sins, and you will be forgiven and go to heaven when you die. Seriously, why NOT embrace this free gift? Hardly anything is free in life…. Embrace it! I have spoken to quite a few people that died in hospital and got revived again by the doctors a few minutes later. They all have one of two experiences, one of peace, joy and warmth, or cold, loneliness and fear. This is the prelude to heaven and hell and we all are going to either one of the two. That is why I would really encourage you to think this over, because you’re going to be dead for a LONG time….why not spend eternity with God?
24 July 2006, on 9:16 pm
Gualbert, seriously, are you *insane*?
A perfect, all-good, -knowing, -powerful, -present, -male entity deliberately creates beings whom he knows are imperfect and are going to disobey him, then equally deliberately sets up a “test” for them that he knows they’re going to fail, just so that he can punish them for failing a test that he set up knowing they were going to fail in the first place, and tops it all off by coming down to earth himself (and not right away; he has to wait centuries to do this for some strange reason) to *appear* to be tortured and killed (being immortal, eternal god, he doesn’t stay dead but pops back up alive and kicking after three days) instead of these people he punished for failing the test he deliberately set up for them knowing in advance that they would fail.
In addition, still not satisfied with all the belief hoops he’s made these poor, unfortunate suckers jump through so far, he tells them – but not too clearly or definitively – that this “sacrifice” he made in which he actually didn’t die/stay dead only works to save them from the punishment he imposed on them for failing (aw, fuck it)… if they believe in it and/or continue to live perfect lives doing good works for ever and always until they die or he comes back to pick them up and take them away to Never-Never-Land (which will happen when he feels like it). In the meantime, if they stop believing in his fake sacrifice and/or don’t live sufficiently “good” lives or don’t follow exactly the right path to his satisfaction (which he’s made unclear on purpose; don’t ask me why), he’s going to punish them forever and always just like he’s punishing all the poor SOBs who had the misfortune of being born and dying *before* he decided to perform his sacrifice illusion.
And the maraschino cherry plopped atop all this creamy goodness is the inescapable fact that you can’t provide a single shred of irrefutable, incontrovertible, hard scientific evidence proving the existence of this to-all-intents-and-purposes cruel, capricious, immature, inconsistent, quite frankly crazy entity.
25 July 2006, on 5:41 am
Hi Eve, firstly you assume God is like a human, hence the “male” as well as in terms of time and space. God made time and space, thus is he outside time and space. He is not governed by the laws that exist on Earth. The fact that according to us, he waited for centuries just does not exist in a realm that consist neither of time or space. Secondly, when God made the Earth everything was good, until Satan came and wrecked the place. This what you see is a junk yard compared to what God planned it to be in the first place. So don’t be mad at God for sitting with the problems we are sitting with. Thirdly you say that there is not a shred of evidence to support God. Let me ask you this, if you look at a building, the building is proof that there was a builder, right? The fact that we are living on a earth that we can see in a universe that exist, proove there must have been a creator, i.e. God.
25 July 2006, on 6:03 am
Me talk pretty like Gualbert one day.
The fact that you think there is no God prove that live mus start somewhere. If live comes from somehwere, then it is within time and space. God made time and space and does not live with it the way you think live. Satan was made by God but God did not make his space. God and Satan are two sides of the the same happy meal. There was a time when God live in Satan’s space but they foight over the top bunk on the bunk bed. Just because you can’t see the bunk bed outside time and space doesn’t mean that Satand did not wet hiss bed. Which was God’;s whole problem, because Satan would pee on Him every night. At the end of the first era of the Great Bunk Bed Apocalupse, Satan started to pee all over the Earth. What you call “home.” In this time God came and saw what Satan’s pee was doing and just because you think God is like a human doesn’t mean he likes to be pee’d on any more than women people do.
I hope this clears up somethings, i.e. pee and the Creator.
25 July 2006, on 6:20 am
[...] Eve Says: July 24th, 2006 at 9:16 pm EST A perfect, all-good, -knowing, -powerful, -present, -male entity deliberately creates beings whom he knows are imperfect and are going to disobey him, then equally deliberately sets up a “test” for them that he knows they’re going to fail, just so that he can punish them for failing a test that he set up knowing they were going to fail in the first place, and tops it all off by coming down to earth himself (and not right away; he has to wait centuries to do this for some strange reason) to *appear* to be tortured and killed (being immortal, eternal god, he doesn’t stay dead but pops back up alive and kicking after three days) instead of these people he punished for failing the test he deliberately set up for them knowing in advance that they would fail. [...]
26 July 2006, on 4:11 pm
Sean, *lol*!
So, Gualbert, what you’re saying is that your God is actually an “It” rather than a “he” or “she,” and It is imperfect, often-ignorant, -absent, impotent, and sometimes-evil. Otherwise, how could Satan sneak up on It and wreck Its perfect creation without It knowing about or being able to stop him? Also, it brings up the question of Satan: did God create him? If so, why? And isn’t Satan’s turning against God and mucking up Its creation further evidence that God is not perfect/all-knowing, etc.?
That’s *if* I take your word for it that the existence of the universe is proof of the existence of *your* particular concept of god – and given that you’ve admitted that your God is seriously flawed, you might have a point there…
28 July 2006, on 10:10 am
Hi Eve, ok lets look at a few things. Firstly, In Genesis 1:36 it says “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good” Now if Satan was bad then, God would not have said this- or He may have just thought it wasn’t any of our business, who knows? We know from sciptures Angels, including Della Reese, Roma “Tomato” Downey, and “Sweet” Lou Cipher were made on day 1 or 2 (not clear) and on day 5 everything was good(not clear). Thus, Satan was good at that point. In Ezekiel 28:15 (God speaking about Satan) “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till thee becamest aware that the voice that resoundeth in thine head was verily not His but the onset of mental illness”. This is when he was kicked out. Satan was good, then he decided that “God” was bullshit and wandered off to start a rock band and have nightly group sex.
Now for the question why? For what reason or reasons should God have not created the devil even if he knew he was going to fall? Just because God knows what will happen doesn’t mean that the person (Jennifer Anuston) isn’t free to make choices. Floyd Landis freely chose to eat testosterone prior to the Tour de France. God knew this would happen.Nevertheless, let me offer some possible reasons why God would create Satan even though He knew He would fall and not be able to get up.
(1) It was necessary to have the fall so that God could then have a reason to die for our sins thereby demonstrating that God can and does provide the greatest act of love which is to lay ones life down for his friend (John 15:13).
(2) If God is to have creatures with free will, then the risk of rebellion is part of that freedom. Satan had that freedom and used it to rebel.
(3) If God had not created Satan and instead another angel fell, then we’d be asking why God made that angel knowing he would fall.
(4) And, most importantly, if God hadn’t created Satan, what would Sunday School teachers, fundie parents, and fire-breathing televangelists use to scare the bejesus out of children and to cow the ignorant into submission- thereby insuring that the gravy train would roll on?
Lastly, if there were no evil how will you define good? If everything is just good, you would have no perception of evil and then we would not be capable of loving God. Therefore a choice has to be given and each of us has to choose either to go with God or go with Satan. Personally I would suggest to go with God, because I read the last chapter, and Satan loose so I personally want to be on the winning side- I realize that this makes me a bit of a “fair weather fan” but I’ve already bought the T-shirt, payed the cost of admission, and since when has anything religious made sense?
29 July 2006, on 5:28 pm
Hi Gualbert II,
since when is this fair game to alter my comments? I feel everyone has the right to read what I have said instead of altering my word in a way that totally distorts the point I was bringing across. I did not say any of the points after the “-” written inbetween my original senteces. I also did not make point 4. Why don’t you, mystery editor, rather comment on my messages instead that distorting my comments? This I would label as being a Hypocrite. So in the future, just join the conversation instead of re-writing my comments to Eve.
29 July 2006, on 5:37 pm
Thw original message posted:
Hi Eve, ok lets look at a few things. Firstly, In Genesis 1:36 it says “And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good” Now if Satan was bad then, God would not have said this. Telly Savalas was made on day 1 or 2, the bible is not clear exactly when and on day 5 everything was good. Thus, Lorne Greene was good at that point. In Ezekiel 28:15 (God speaking about Bill Bixby) “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till inquity was found in thee.” This is when he was kicked out of heaven. Robert Guillaume was good, then he want God’s position and that was not up for grabs, he rebelled against God, and God kicked him out of heaven.
Now for the question why? For what reason or reasons should God have not created the devil even if he knew he was going to fall? God knew this would happen.Nevertheless, let me offer some possible reasons why God would create biscuits even though He knew they wouldn’t rise:
(1) It was necessary to have the Viagra so that God could then have a reason to die for our sins thereby demonstrating that God can and does provide the greatest act of anal love.(John 15:13).
(2) If God is to have “cojones of free will”, then the risk of chafing is part of that freedom. Ron Palillo had that freedom and used Gold Bond medicated powder.
(3) If God had not created squaredancing and instead another Linda Evans fell, then we’d be asking why God made souffles knowing they would fall.
Lastly, if there were no Washington how will you define Epstein, Epstein’s mother? If everything is just good, you would have no perception of gelato and then we would not be capable of rimming God. Therefore a choice has to be given and each of us has to choose either to go with Count Chocula or go with Frankenberry. Personally I would suggest to go with Super Colon Blow, because I ate some last night, and, three cracked toilet bowls later, I personally call it “bulimia of the ass.”
29 July 2006, on 6:18 pm
So, Gualbert, what you’re saying is that your God is actually an “It” rather than a “he” or “she,” and It is imperfect, often-ignorant, -absent, impotent, and sometimes-evil. Otherwise, how could Satan sneak up on It and wreck Its perfect creation without It knowing about or being able to stop him?
Eve – This sounds like a Tom & Jerry Cartoon or Wile E Coyote and Road Runner!
29 July 2006, on 6:20 pm
Gualbert says: “So in the future, just join the conversation instead of re-writing my comments to Eve.
Gualbert, you do not give the orders here. Read the Commenting rules and ask yourself if you want to keep coming back for more.
29 July 2006, on 8:02 pm
That was fun, I wish I knew how to make that Jesus On the Shitter cartoon. Man, I crack myself up.
29 July 2006, on 9:02 pm
RDZ,
Linky linky,
31 July 2006, on 12:57 am
This thread is turned into a “my beleifs are right not yours” debate. Anyway. If your wondering why he is claiming he has no property this is why. He claims that the property is part of the kingdom of heaven. It is not part of the United States. Here’s proof I found. These signs are posted at every entrance owned by DAL. Even the house across from my mom’s house has one. It’s a bit strange because the people living there are renting it. Does that mean that they are renting property from heaven?
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/POSblazer/insanenote.jpg
31 July 2006, on 4:07 am
I must say, I really enjoyed debating with everyone because, for me it is interesting to see how you view the world and life as such. I jsut feel that it is not fair game to change what I write. I give scope for everyone to say what he/she wants and I would respect the same treatment. I itterate again, I like debating people and would gladly keep on doing so, but please don’t go and alter my comments.
31 July 2006, on 4:26 am
And that you will go and read Romans 1-3.
Maybe you will see yourself in there. I see myself crawling around between the letters of the Bible all the time. I once saw myself on top of a church steeple and asked myself how I got up there. The voice from a above simply cried “I’m the king of thd mountain!” And then leaped forward into space. That was the first time I was 5150′d. Now I just ask them to put me in my straw house that they made by the shed. It’s warm and cozy in the straw house and my bible fits in the and so does my extra-large case of Handiwipes. And the insects sing to me t night. And it was written LONG before you where even born — maybe not 2 billion years ago, which makes no sense to me. But back when humans rode dinosaurs. You know. In the ’30s and ’40s. 
I’m not saying that Kent Hovind done right by evading tax — I know if you ain’t done right the sheerrif will git ya — because even Jesus said that we should pay the Goverment what is due to them, and I know that he lives under an identical for of government and social contructs that we do now, which is why the babbling of this half-crazed dust and desert staggering goat fucker still make sense today, and it is sad that he makes some stupid claims. That is a flaw in his caracter, and that is if everything has been reported correctly, and not jst to get him back. God bless you all. Until you actually burn in hell. In which case I guess I will laugh. And pick my scabs. 
31 July 2006, on 5:56 am
I’ve read your On-Comments part and it is quite impressive. I must say that for somebody that doesn’t believe in the Daddy in the Sky, as you put it (which is already a miss perception) you still worry about your eternal souls? Quite interesting.
I don’t know why I think this. I see no real evidence for it. But I need to return to my straw shack now.
31 July 2006, on 8:31 am
Gualbert Says:
July 31st, 2006 at 4:07 am EST
I must say, I really enjoyed debating with everyone because, for me it is interesting to see how you view the world and life as such. I jsut feel that it is not fair game to change what I write. I give scope for everyone to say what he/she wants and I would respect the same treatment. I itterate again, I like debating people and would gladly keep on doing so, but please don’t go and alter my comments.
Then don’t come and witness here again, bitch. It is forbidden in our comments policy. Next time, you will just be banned.
Man, this week is wearing on me. Can we get back to real conversation for a while, please? You know, maybe set up the retards with some finger paints in the back room and start to have some adult chat again?
2 August 2006, on 6:08 pm
For Gualbert if he’s still lurking: I address the points you try to make in your comments here.
A god who creates flawed creatures on purpose so that they fall prey to their flaws just so that it can swoop in and save *some* of them and send the vast majority to some awful place forever is *not* all-good. A god who deliberately creates evil just so that it can screw up its creations so badly that they can then recognize good is like a parent deliberately burning a child with the flame of a candle so that the child can recognize fire. *Not* all-good.
Just one of the many reasons why I don’t believe such a god exists.
3 August 2006, on 4:58 pm
First of all, all this bathing of God is intermural. But this masturbation is on going and will be OingoBoingo till the end of time. I’m a religion major in college- which means I’ve never been laid except by my Boy Scout life companion- and plan on obeying my master of puppets. I know God and I know Satan- they were both by for cocktails this past weekend and Satan can drink God under the table (though really God likes to go under the table for purposes of anonymous fellation). But there are porno tapes that Jesus Christ did, and I’m not just talking Mel’s Passion, either. The Roman(Busman’s) Holiday takes pictures of interesting manicure so, yes, the tiny crucifixes on each of my nails have been extensively documented. Shit was said that if God was made in our image, where did he shit besides maybe Bhopal or Qana. Well here is a answer to think about; “41,” the prime rib of numbers, gave us a trichinosis and e. coli. Nachos who disobey the Law of Liquid Cheese sin against the world. So in summary we all have the ability to choose what we want to do and how to accomplish it.
3 August 2006, on 5:37 pm
MoG,
…records of exicutions.
Ahh… the sweet, sweet irony of your university education.
4 August 2006, on 2:50 pm
Marcus, how much do you want to bet he goes to one of those Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson fundie “universities?”
4 August 2006, on 3:00 pm
Eve,
I’ll put a fifty down if you’ll give me 8:1.
4 August 2006, on 9:57 pm
Ya got it, Marcus!
4 November 2006, on 11:05 am
[...] Dr. Dino Dumbass By Bob We’ve been following this story for a little bit, and the verdict finally came down the pipeline: ‘Dr. Dino’ guilty on all counts: Couple could get more than 200 years Kent Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism and Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola, was found guilty of 58 counts, including failure to pay $845,000 in employee-related taxes. He faces a maximum of 288 years in prison. Jo Hovind was charged and convicted in 44 of the counts involving evading bank-reporting requirements. She faces up to 225 years in prison but was allowed to remain free pending the couple’s sentencing on Jan. 9. [...]
7 November 2006, on 2:53 pm
What kills me is that people still give him credit even after that fiasco with the clay dinosaur figurines that turned out to be a hoax. Hovind even once commented that man was able to kill a Tyrannosaur by yanking one of its arms off and letting it bleed to death. Mind you, not only are its arms far larger, and probably far more muscular in life than ours, theres still the matter of getting past the height, and the massive jaws. Go team Hovind!
It’s amazing when people try to rationalize all sin as being equal. By the logic of the fundie above, capital punishment should practiced for all transgressions, be it evading taxes or shoplifting. Anyone that sees “sin” this way is kidding him/herself if they can honestly say that one crime is obviously worse than the other. I wonder how many of these cult-driven psychopaths would love to see Winona Ryder literally hang for stealing purses, since it is after all equal to murder, rape and other terrible unspeakable crimes against humanity. People that push the “all sins are equal” tripe dont even suggest taking action to see that the law sees it as such. Undoubtedly avoiding that dose of reality.
And for anyone who’s interested in Hovind’s credentials, he is neither educated in Biology, Geology, and ironically enough, not even educated in an reputable institution for Theology either..otherwise known as a “diploma mill”. Surely someone who graduated from a school with terribly low standards wouldnt be given so much gas..right? Hovind’s tax evasion, charges of assault and battery and indeed dishonest claims about the whereabouts of Speilberg’s Hollywood managerie are just heaping against him, and the mindless sychophants give him constant handjobs for Jesus.
16 December 2006, on 1:21 am
wow I am anl ignorant fool! if I werent so stupid as to believe in Ken Hovind maybeI cud rite a proper sintance and be able to use puntooashun so have some sympathy i mean dishonestly kent hovind knows his stuff and he could prove evolution wrong anyday from anywhere. if you guys believe people evolved from rocks and that life came from hot soup, you cant blame him for thinking he doesnt have to pay taxes.
21 December 2006, on 11:18 am
i think it’s funny how you are deleting posts. lets me know people that the “truth” you guys see is screened. God Bless.
21 December 2006, on 3:02 pm
matthew
If you took even a tiny bit of time to review our policies you would see that we welcome any and all discussion even yours. We have been having server problems for the past month or so and all comments are not getting through immediately.
The “truth” you seek is here if you have the veracity to examine it for it’s true value. There is no god.
Also this post on Hovind is from July. If you want to discuss what is on your mind you need to get to the most recent postings.
18 January 2007, on 10:31 pm
WOW, YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE SO SCRARED!!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR SAYING, AND GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!! ITS REALLY SAD TO SEE YOU ALL LIKE THIS!! BECOUSE IF YOUR HEARTS WONT FIND JESUS YOU WILL ALL BE IN THE INTERNAL HELL!!!!!
Typical xian troll. Probably didn’t read a damn thing on this site except for the banner, then you hide like a coward. And the all caps as if shouting is so typical, too. You are a liar if you say you are sad or that you care for anyone but your own selfish desire for an afterlife. You are so hyped up like this because just coming to our site brings your doubts to the surface and you are afraid that your afterlife fantasies will be replaced by reason if you stay too long. If there happened to be a place called hell I would rather be there than in a heaven with the likes of you and your kind, for this heaven you asshats believe in actually sounds like what I would imagine a hell to be like full of judgemental hateful hypocrites like yourself all kissing your god’s rear end in order to get a reward of some kind…like a doggie bisquit for a good little puppy. If I was a god, I would be sickened by you.
19 January 2007, on 10:38 am
Not to mention the atrocious spelling.
“scrared”, “your” instead of “you’re”, “its” instead of “it’s”, “wont” instead of “won’t”, “internal” instead of “eternal”.
Must be home school’d.
Idiot.
19 January 2007, on 11:34 pm
Mr Hovind got far less than he deserved, I would have shot the cunt but that’s me just being christian.
With any luck Hovind will be getting spit roasted by Bubba and Jesse.
He will be praying for them to evolve
I bless y’all, and take care of you and yours.
Jeebus
24 January 2007, on 7:20 pm
It’s nice to see that Kent has finally been sent to jail. Tax fraud hurts everyone.
1 February 2007, on 1:08 pm
I have nothing to contribute to this conversation and just stopped by to insult everyone.
8 February 2007, on 1:11 pm
I still have nothing to contribute to this conversation and just stopped by again because I am an obsessive troll.
14 February 2007, on 1:28 am
Hey to all,
I know I’ll probably get my butt chewed by several of you out there but I stumbled across your site while reading up on the Kent Hovind debacle. I have to admit those kinds of things are embarrassing for us that actually do believe in intelligent design, and God, and grace, and all the stuff you’re having a blast with. Let me just say this for the record; Christianity has had some pretty bleak moments and as I read your postings it’s obvious that several of you have met up with the political/cultural Christian types, rank with hypocrisy and all that. Here at least is one voice, that believes in God, grace, and Jesus with everything I am, and I’m saying sorry for the crusades, the weird haired tele-evangelists, the make your $1,000 vow crowd, and all those who do in God’s name the trash they dreamed up in their own hearts. So, fire away at this sucker, but at least take a moment to absorb this real apology in the name of one that has been misquoted and misrepresented for the last couple millennia.
Shane
14 February 2007, on 1:48 am
Shane, there isn’t a need for you to apologize for something you didn’t do. This desire for xians to be “martyrs” all the time is absurd and maddening. I as a mother am not going to apologize to the world for all the mothers who are neglectful, abusive or stupid. That’s crazy!
Here at least is one voice, that believes in God, grace, and Jesus with everything I am
God is a figment of your own imagination. Nothing can happen in your life unless YOU make it so. The only ones who can help humankind are OTHER HUMANS. Stop living for death and a hoped for afterlife of your dreams, and start living positively in the here and now.
in the name of one that has been misquoted and misrepresented for the last couple millennia.
Misquoted? The Bible says what it says The Skeptics Annotated Bible
As for your god, Richard Dawkins sums it up
“The God of the Old Testament has got to be the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous, and proud of it, petty, vindictive, unjust, unforgiving, racist.”
If you believe in all of this with “everything” you are, then you better look at yourself in the mirror and re-evaluate your “holy” book and the things in which you believe and really ask yourself why you believe it. Is it because you believe there is a god, or is it because believing in an afterlife helps you cope with your own immortality?
14 February 2007, on 7:11 am
I am adding my responses here in bold (and my past comments you quoted are now italicized) because it’s so damn long! Holy shit, you wrote a sermon! No more long ones, ok Shane?
…I as a mother am not going to apologize to the world for all the mothers who are neglectful, abusive or stupid. That’s crazy!
I see your point, but isn’t it madding when someone says the hate kids because of some bad ones they’ve come across or that they would never be a parent because of the inconvenience it put on their schedule. I don’t know you Stardust, but let’s say you do have kids, doesn’t it drive you crazy when people who don’t have kids try to give advice as a parent?
I have three grown, successful atheist children. I lost two children…one right after birth when my husband and I were married only a year. I suffered one miscarriage a year later. If there is a god, what kind of dirty trick is that? My husband had to go take down a whole nursery, and we had to bury a dead infant. I know now that it was error on the part of the doctors, not some gawd deciding to rip the rug out from under me for whatever sadistic reasons.
I have three healthy children because I went to a neo-natal high-risk hospital with an awesome hospital team of doctors. Many people are not as fortunate to be able to go to a hospital such as this.
I almost died with my miscarriage. I collapesed and woke up in the ICU…I had stopped breathing, and my heart stopped. You could say the doctors brought me back from the brink of death. However, some people aren’t so lucky.
…God is a figment of your own imagination. Nothing can happen in your life unless YOU make it so.
I guess that could be. But, do you really believe the second part. I can think of a whole bunch of stuff that has happened or could happen that is outside of my control (i.e. a tornado, tsunami, you know, cause and effect stuff where I wasn’t the cause.
Yes, I do believe that because I see it all the time. If someone sits and picks their ass and does nothing, a god doesn’t step in. Just look at the millions and millions of starving, abused children in the world. As for acts of nature…there are things in nature that are beyond our control. If a god does it, then he is a sick asshole. If he has the power and does nothing, he is still a sick asshole. But there is no god doing magic tricks, no god causing things to happen. No god to prevent things from happening. It is just the nature of the planet we live on, just like any other planets we can now observe in the solar system.
Me, myself and I have made the choices in my life that caused things to happen. I went to crummy doctors and have dead babies. I went to good doctors later and had problems, but had live babies. I didn’t go to college right after high school and didn’t have a good job until I picked myself up by my bootstraps and went back. If a person sits around like some xians I know who are on welfare, god does nothing for them. God helps those who helps themselves, which goes to show…there is no god to come do it for you.
…The only ones who can help humankind are OTHER HUMANS.
Here I know you’re right.
I do know I am right…thanks for admitting that.
At least you agree with my imaginary God.
That’s because this god is in your mind and you are a human…human thought.
See, back in the garden when all hell broke lose, God said to the first couple that from the seed of Eve would come a descendent that would settle them matter of shame and guilt and rescue humanity.
Rescue humanity from what? Why the set up? Adam and Eve knew nothing about right or wrong. Therefore eating from the “tree of knowledge” was beyond the reasoning that was given to them…this is an ancient fable to promote that knowledge is wrong…it is a way to control people. And when you start talking like a script from the Wizard of Oz, it just ruins your credibility. “You see, I was just walking down the Yellow Brick Road, when . . .”
All the inconceivable thoughts and choices of that God which Dawkins pulls together stem from your premise; It takes humans to really help other humans. Kind of like trying to change a baby’s diaper with the department of defense, in the end, some brave soldier is going to have to go do it.
An omnipotent and all -knowing god could do anything. Why make things “crappily”? (pardon the pun)
So, in a sense you might have done what God did, sending His Son in human form to interact with humans, teach and show the way.
Then he tortures the shit out of him, mutilates him on a cross and lets him be humiliated and die. That is a story that is sicker than Kronos eating his children, or chaining Prometheus to a rock and letting a bird peck out his liver over and over again. Why go through all the trouble of making flawed humans in a flawed world when heaven is the goal. Why not just make a bunch of little obedient puppies in heaven? I know, I know…because gawd wants us to love him with our “free will”…but love and worship him, or die is not much of a free-will cholce. It’s much like a Nazi regime…obey or I will make you suffer and kill you. This in itself should show that xianity is a man-made, hateful, violence condoning concoction.
Sounds like a good plan as long as the Human helping the other humans is different them most because it he’s not willing to be a mayrter then what good is he to me? I can just go ahead and die in my own place so I’m back where I started.
There is a difference between being a martyr for humans, and being a martyr for one’s imaginary friend. The first is productive and the other just soothes the psyche of some people.
Stop living for death and a hoped for afterlife of your dreams, and start living positively in the here and now.
Well, Stardust, there’s two parts to that. First, I really enjoy life. I live in south America and get to travel quite a bit, I actually get paid to help people and not just with hollow advice.
Did your Jesus get paid to help people? Is that genuine help then? I am talking about people like my “humanist” nephew and wife who were paramedics when Katrina happened and went to pick up bodies down there for FREE. They didn’t collect a salary while there. You have a job that happens to give you the satisfaction of helping others. That can be said for many, many jobs anywhere.
Sometimes it’s a hospital run in the middle of the night, or taking food and clothes to a tribal village where I can watch my children play with the Guarani kids as I either play soccer with the men or sit down to story telling. There is a lot more to our life then that so I guess being willing to die for a good life is better than being willing to settle for a dead one.
What you are doing is a good thing. And, yes it commendable to be willing to risk one’s life for the helping of others. It is commendable when a firefighter or other person runs back into a burning building that is about to collapes to try to rescue people. It is commendable when a human jumps into dangerous water to save others. It is commendable when young men and women fight and die in war for freedom and what is right. But it is very sad to lay down one’s life for an imaginary friend.
The second part begs the question of this media which is how can either of us know truly if the other is or is not living “positively” in the here and now? The answer is “relationship” which is also the answer to “who God is”, and “if He is”, then “why is He that way?” Guessing on someone’s motivation that we don’t know personally is tough deal. I can deduce from your counsel that my presumed motivations are “craziness and cowardice”.
I was once a xian…for more than thirty years. I was a Sunday School teacher. My husband was an elder. Week after week, people would be focused on their problems and have pity parties week after week. Oh poor me, help me, give me, help them, give them…etc. etc. Religion teaches one to focus on the negative and to believe that you are bad, when you are not bad. Religion is a crutch for the needy, for those who do not believe in themselves, or who feel guilty because of what they do have. An atheist doesn’t need that. We can cope, we know that things happen that are beyond our control, and when we are really down we turn to OTHER HUMANS whether we believe or not. Talking to an imaginary god friend is in reality, talking to yourself. God is a kind of crutch people were raised to believe they need and to explain things they cannot explain.
…That’s crazy!
… believing in an afterlife helps you cope with your own immortality?
On craziness: What if it were all the other way? What if, I wasn’t crazy, angry or some loony, political activist bent on legislating morality? What if I believed in God’s plan because I thought that it makes sense that humans would help humans and so when I discovered that was the central theme of God’s story and that God became human to change the diaper, what if I just went with that logic and believed Him for it?
Logic? I find it far from logical since there is absolutely zero evidence for any gods, goddesses and the like. If people believe in garden gnomes, which some in this world do, then it is not my business to tell them what to believe as long as they aren’t going around killing or bugging people in the name of garden gnomes.
If it makes sense to you, then I have no right to tell you what to believe as long as you aren’t hurting anyone or yourself. I didn’t go to you and tell you that you should acquire my atheism and do away with the superstition…you came here practically begging for a “thrashing”. What do you expect to hear on a site that says GOD IS FOR SUCKERS? That we are all going to convert back to xianity because a nice xian who apologized for the “sins” of xiantiy stopped by?
On cowardice: What if I had a healthy dose of understanding about my mortality. Maybe I’ve bled before or seen someone die.
I have bled before and suffered with terrible asthma…and abuse my whole childhood…and I prayed to a silent god.
I have seen someone die right in the arms of his young wife…my sister. He left behind a wife, and two small children. Prayers were offered regularily for his healing but did no good. Then the reasoning came from the church…”it was god’s will…it was his time” as my sister was left alone and having to work and raise two children alone with no dad. If that was the will of a god, this god can go fuck himself. Of course, it was a natural thing beyond the knowledge of science…Lou Gehrig’s disease which makes a person die a slow death and gradually makes the person paralyzed and unable to talk while leaving the mid in tact to be aware of the suffering and imminent death.
In my case, I saw my kid come back to life impossibly about a year ago.
I am happy for you, but this is a mystery of nature. Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean a god did it. You are trained to feel indebted and thankful when something good happens, and it is good to feel thankful. But it does not mean a god did it.
What if I did know about mortality enough that I realize we are all going to die and I want the most out of my life. In that case there are two tracks to run my life along; “the get all you can for yourself”, track and the “it’s better to give then receive” track.
I believe in the second track, and that is not because a god is telling me to.
Obviously, believing or not in God is irrelevant to which track I’m on since I could believe in God and withhold my taxes and not believe in God and be generous and vice versa.
Good to you see and understand that.
Once I’ve chosen a good life track then it’s logical to take it all the way instead of turning back halfway.
Admitting there is no god is not turning back when he didn’t exist in the first place except in your own mind. If you need that to get through whatever, then fine. But some of us do not need that. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There is no evidence for the existence of god except what you “feel” or what you “want” to believe.
What I’m saying here stardust, is that it’s not cowardice to chose to die for what you believe in,
Again, I didn’t say that. I said it is cowardice to believe that you are going somewhere over the rainbow when you die instead of just accepting the natural cycle of life and death. How absurd is it to think there is a heaven jammed full of souls like some celestial rock concert all worshipping this god on stage and other souls being tormented in hell just for choosing not to go to the rock concert? It’s ABSURD.
although it would be cowardice to live less generously, or to help humans less completely because a person is afraid of whether or not there is an afterlife. Once you’ve taken that step, and I have, then you begin to look for role models in the courageous/generous section of human bios. Jesus is the benchmark I chose for my track.
Jesus said: “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.”
and
“I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!”
…nice role model (sarcasm). I can find so many more “real” role models of humans who have actually lived who would have a far better positive influence than your Jesus and god. You seem like one of those who create your own fluffed-up version of your violent, obscene, and terrible holy text. You are a cherry picker…thank human goodness.
14 February 2007, on 8:18 pm
stardust:
thanks, for the “nice xstian” comment, very generous, and you didn’t even alter my text like poor Gualbert with his “Telly Savalas was made on day 1”. I did read through the comenting rules and the razor sharp comments of Eve and crew. I got the feeling I’m not going to tell you guys much you haven’t already heard although to Eve: (with regards to your depiction of what we xistian trolls believe, (pretty good!), as Buddha said: “It’s like that and it’s not like that”. You left out the concept of Eternal Security, you know, once forgiven always forgiven so there’s no way back once you actually got it. Still, you’re almost ready to be ordained Eve.
Stardust: Here’s a few Farwell thoughts I hope add to the discussion.
…Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence…
I guess that depends on where your starting point is. If your starting point is that little green men do exist, all you need is a fuzzy picture of a Frisbee to get you hooked.
If you starting point is that there must be an architect for the cosmic masterpiece then a powerful, yet terrible ancient story like the Bible may be all you need to jump start faith.
If your starting point is pain that was met with pat xristian answers that only blurred the already irreconcilable mystery of a “good god in bad times” then all you need is trauma to shade your eyes from the dilemma of existence, complexity, design and most intriguing of all, entropy.
All worldviews begin with starting points, and those points can change, as you testify yours did after what was it, 30 years. I can’t explain the existence of God any more then you can un-exist him by posting this site.
So there it is, I’ve enjoyed the opportunity to mingle with some bright thinkers, I will be checking back once in a while if I’m welcome, but I got to respect those commenting rules or become Gualbert.
Gualbert, good luck buddy, I’m not sure this will continue to be the best investment of your time.
14 February 2007, on 8:43 pm
So there it is, I’ve enjoyed the opportunity to mingle with some bright thinkers, I will be checking back once in a while if I’m welcome, but I got to respect those commenting rules or become Gualbert.
Shane, as long as you don’t write another thesis and don’t proseltyze, you are welcome back and we won’t asshat you.
Maybe by reading what we have to say might spark you to give up the god delusions. 
This is an old post, Gualbert has long gone off to troll elsewhere (unless he is using another name?)
Have a good one.
14 February 2007, on 10:15 pm
Ok I just saw the dates on the headers,
and no, this aint Gualbert.
14 February 2007, on 10:30 pm
and no, this aint Gualbert.
Shane, Did I say you were?
21 February 2007, on 3:32 pm
To our most recent troll (you know who you are),
Discussing “logic” about imaginary beliefs is absurd and pointless. There is no logic or absolutes when it comes to faith, religion/mythology. Come to the main page discussions and discuss with everyone instead of hiding in the archives like a coward. Typical xians to want to hide when you are outnumbered.
24 February 2007, on 1:16 pm
The site is so poorly layed out I thought this was the main page. It’s the only one I’ve seen so far. Where’s your home button?
Are you serious?????? You must be fairly new to the blogosphere and the internet, or very young. Try clicking on the HEADER and it will take you to the main page. Geesh! Even my young nieces and nephews can maneuver around any website!
There is an organized list of months and a calendar IN THE LEFTHAND COLUMN.
25 February 2007, on 6:54 am
I’m a novice blogger. As far a very young, thank.
3 March 2007, on 7:37 pm
THE TIMES R COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JESUS OUR SAVIOUR WILL COME AND WE WILL FIGHT TOGETHER AGAINTS THE ENEIMIES OF GOD AND ZION!!!!! WE WILL REIGN FOR EVER AND YOU WILL ALL BE OUR SLAVES!!! YOU WILL BURN IN THE HELL FIRE 4EVER AND EVER AND EVER AND EVER AND EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE WILL BE IN PARDISE!!! GOD WILL SURE DEAL WITH YOU DECREPED INFEDELS!!!! JESUS WILL DESTROY THE EVIL ONES!!! ISRAEL WILL BE ESTABLISHED!!! THE HOLY LAND WILL RULE!! AND YOU DESPICABLE ONES WILL BE RULED OVER IN THE HELL FIRE WHERE YOU WILL MEET YOUR DARWIN AND GET TO BURN TOGETHER
WITH HITLER AND THAT ANTI-SEMITIC MOHAMMAD!! HAH HAHA HAHA!!!!
YAWEH IS GREAT!!!!! YAWEH IS GREAT!!!!!
How can we be your slaves if we are burning in hell?
You better let the nurse know you need your meds.
4 March 2007, on 4:59 pm
For those who don’t think that there is no science in the Bible this is for you…
There is no science in the bible. You are obviously a brainwashed fool. The bible is book of xian mythology, just like all other religions have their own mythology books.
Have you even read through the thread before commenting? This has all been previously discussed.
In the book of Job (the oldest book in the Bible) it talks about the formation of the human body:
“Clothe me with skin and flesh, And knit me together with bones and sinews?” (Job 10:11)
This is not science…any ancient butcher would know these things.
This is quite amazing becuase it contains the word “sinews” which are tissue of mesodermal origin consisting of e.g. collagen fibroblasts and fatty cells; and supports organs and fills spaces between them and forms tendons and ligaments.
Not amazing, because many body parts were previously named before humans knew more about how they functioned, etc. What IS amazing is how SCIENTISTS can construct artificial limbs to function as real limbs THAT A GOD CAN’T SEEM TO MAKE GROW BACK. Haven’t you heard that god doesn’t heal amputees?
It is said that the book of Job was written at about 2000 B.C. unlike Darwin’s “the origin of species” which was published in the year 1859. It’s funny to see how scientist will make claims of what humans looked liked before they “evolved” – because Darwin himself said that “we can partly recall in imagination the
former condition of our early progenitors;” (The Descent of Man, Chapter XXI).
You probably haven’t even read The Descent of Man…and your quote is cherry-picked to suit your purposes like you do your bible. You are obviously being spoonfed propaganda…you are nothing but a sheeple following what some uneducated pastor is telling you. Go explore and learn on your own.
The Bible also talks about dinasours – this is in the book of Job as well. (The Holy Bible, Job, Chapters 40:15 through 24 and all of chapter 41)
Holy shit, you folks use the same exact wordings…do you ever listen to yourself? You are like the Borg on Star Trek!
And if we really came from algae, then were did the algae come from? And if the algae came from bundles of energy, where did that substance come from? And from what that energy came from, where did that substance come from?
You are so dumb…who said anything about algae? You really know nothing at all about biology and evolution. Fundamentalist xians have such a misunderstanding about evolution, what it actually is. Just mating between people causes changes in offspring, passing along of traits and diseases, etc. Go get yourself a good biology book…a real one. Quit listening to uneducated fools who just want to keep you in line so they can keep their lame jobs because they are too idiotic and lazy to go get a real job.
So make the choice… come to Jesus Christ where you may rest.
Would love to see a response from you all soon.
This is an old fucking thread…come to the main page and write some stuff and we will “take you to school”…be forwarned…read the COMMENT POLICY first.
May God’s peace be with you.
Robert Gusto
This is ironic since your god is a warmonger god, creating strife in a heaven and creating Satan and allowing him to run around free…and then blaming humans. Read your Old Testament…this god is always killing babies, turning people into pillars of salt for the most minor things, flooding the earth…etc. It’s a violent religion…the Abrahamic religions are nothing at all about peace. They are about war and death. Keep your “god’s peace” we are more peaceful without it.
4 March 2007, on 7:43 pm
>You are so dumb…who said anything about algae?
My biology teacher at my univeristy
You are not understanding what is being taught, unless you are attending one of those creationist, evolution-bashing universities.
>”This is ironic since your god is a warmonger god, creating strife in a heaven and creating Satan and allowing him to run around free…and then blaming humans. Read your Old Testament…this god is always killing babies, turning people into pillars of salt for the most minor things, flooding the earth…etc. It’s a violent religion…the Abrahamic religions are nothing at all about peace. They are about war and death. Keep your “god’s peace” we are more peaceful without it.”
You can except this:
“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes … will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.” (”The Descent of Man”, 2nd edition,p. 178.)
…or this:
“But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;”
(1 Corinthians 1:27)
What the hell does that have to do with your god being a warmonger?
You can keep “genius” Darwin.
Some things about Darwin we can keep, some things even many atheists do not agree with because of new theories, and new evidence that is found. Scientists are always exploriing and learning, however, god botherers are living in the dark ages clinging to an ancient mythology that there is absolutely zero evidence for.
There are hundreds and hundreds of different beliefs, and all think their beliefs are the “true” beliefs. Human beings invent things to explain things they do not fully understand or are too lazy to seek true answers for. Some things we will never know, but that does not mean a sky daddy is responsible.
You keep using your mythology book as evidence. That’s all you have. That’s all any religious or superstitious people have…mythology books written by who? Imaginative humans.
4 March 2007, on 11:30 pm
>You keep using your mythology book as evidence. That’s all you have. That’s all any religious or superstitious people have…mythology books written by who? Imaginative humans.
And thats all you evolutionist-athiests have –INSULTS
Is that the only rebuttal you can come up with? You know I am right. All you have is your imaginary sky daddy. It’s why you xians hang out on atheist blogs so much. You are curious. Hope you give up the sky daddy beliefs soon and free yourself from the chains of religious oppression.
4 March 2007, on 11:56 pm
OH!! I got more insults – I think i hit a nurve!
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1)
No, the only “nerve” here is yours, clown, and you’ve got a lot of it. Go finish your homework, brush your teeth and go to bed. The grownups find you boring.
5 March 2007, on 12:18 am
OK mon! Be coo brutha…
me wants to eat a banana now or shove it up my butt.
PEAS
MUCH trolling.
may I come to know god is an imaginary figment of my imagination.
5 March 2007, on 12:34 am
Robert Gusto…you are officially banned. All future posts will be sent automatically to the spam folder.
19 March 2007, on 12:03 pm
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