Goose? Gander. Gander? Goose.
10 August 2006 by Raindogzilla
Bigots say the darnedest things. They have all sorts of ways to try and rationalize the essence of their hatred as something completely other, something perfectly normal.
I think we’re all pretty aware of the hue and cry from the far right over the supposed Mexican Invasion. Now, there are, certainly, some real issues about border security that need to be discussed but, say, 98.6% of the uproar is ignorant fucking white folks scared of the brown. To be sure, the rank and file are misled by more Machiavellian leaders within the movement but these are mostly folks on the Atkins Diet, shit sandwich-wise. They’ve always needed someone to feel better than lest they, I don’t know, ethnically cleanse themselves?
Is that harsh? Yes, it is. Is it true of all poor whites? Of course not- sorry, I was channeling Donald Rumsfeld there for a moment.
Even still, blunt and aboveboard racism is no easy sell and most of the ones you could sell that way won’t admit to being sold until you’ve got a twelve pack in them and not outside their basement. So, you temper the argument with misleading- or downright false- information on, say, the economic impact of unregulated immigration. You know, the “They’re taking American jobs!”or “They’re stealing social services!” canards, while failing to note the billions of dollars these workers contribute to FICA without hope of ever getting back.
Here’s the newest newest little beanbag in their Cornhole arsenal.
Say Hello to Tom Tancredo(Racist-Colorado). He wants to be your David Duke for 2008- except not as creepily good looking as the golden boy.
“During a July 19th appearance on American Family Radio, anti-immigration movement figurehead and potential 2008 GOP presidential candidate Rep. Tom Tancredo of Littleton, Colorado, made his anti-Catholic sentiments explicit. Responding to a caller’s suggestion that Catholics have a surreptitious plan to cultivate political hegemony in the US by ushering in waves of Catholic immigrants across open borders, Tancredo lays into Catholics and concluded that the caller “does have a point.“
See, Tom was raised a Catholic but, at some point, saw his way clear of that heresy to become a born again evangelical (I’m pretty sure the only way I’d ever agree to being born again would be if it included a return trip down the old fun factory of life, personally) You know what they say? It takes a really dissatisfied customer to put a hating on a family member- well, christer brethren, anyway.
Says Max Blumenthal:
“…white nationalism is one of the most powerful currents guiding the anti-immigration movement. But there is another, less understood factor in their motivations, particular among the movement’s base in the Southern Baptist-dominated South: anti-Catholic resentment. ”
and, in a musty old hall in Detro-it:
“When a Genesee County Circuit judge sentenced Joseph Hanas to a year in a Christian residential outreach program for a minor drug offense, the troubled 19-year-old and his family welcomed the idea of getting professional help for his addiction. Instead, Hanas said officials at the program, run by a local Pentecostal church, told him his religion, Catholicism, was witchcraft and he had to convert to the Pentecostal faith or he would go to prison. Hanas refused and ultimately served jail time. On Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union filed suit in U.S. District Court in Detroit. Sentencing Hanas to the Inner City program violated his First Amendment rights to practice his religion, the suit contended. The lawsuit seeks to overturn the conviction.”
Pentecostal? Jail? Pentecostal? Jail? Damn, it’s a toss-up. At least you get out of jail eventually.
And, from our very own Dr. Arlin and Mrs. Dr. Arlin Horton’s “A Beka” books- you know those Pensacola Puritan homeschoolers:
“Descriptions of contemporary life in European countries that are primarily Roman Catholic frequently include derogatory statements about the Church: “Almost all the children of [the Republic of] Ireland grow up believing in the traditions of the Roman Catholic church without knowing of God’s free salvation.” A Beka’s seventh grade world history book, for example, describes the early Roman church (before 500 A.D.) as “a monstrous distortion of Biblical Christianity.” Speaking of the Crusades, the text speculates that “if Christendom had succeeded with its crusades, distorted Christianity might have been imposed on all mankind.” In the chapter titled “The Age of Darkness,” which is subtitled “Distorted Christianity, Holy Roman Empire, Renaissance,” the author writes, “The papacy had always distorted Christianity. ·” In all, the seventh grade book uses the term “distorted” or its variants 28 times in the six chapters in which its discussions of the Roman Catholic faith are most concentrated. Tenth graders using A Beka books are taught that “the doctrines and practices of the Roman church had digressed so far from Scripture that the church was compelled to keep its members from reading the Bible and discovering the truth.”
Ah, the poor, dog-collared pederasts. Equal time and all, I dare you to watch this without tapping your toe and smiling.
10 August 2006, on 12:39 am
RE: The vid clip. Seen it once years ago. Thanks for linking it. Man, even then Shane’s teeth were bad. And check out how he is actually drinking on stage. You know that ain’t water in that styrofoam cup.
10 August 2006, on 12:56 am
Probably the only good thing about any of this is that it might break up the nefarious symbiosis that has developed between conservative Catholics and Protestants.
10 August 2006, on 1:38 am
“We had one million bags of the best Sligo rags
We had two million barrels of stones
We had three million sides of old blind horses hides,
We had four million barrels of bones.
We had five million hogs, we had six million dogs,
Seven million barrels of porter.
We had eight million bails of old nanny goats’ tails,
In the hold of the Irish Rover…”
10 August 2006, on 1:48 am
Here’s another gem.
10 August 2006, on 1:53 am
Tancredo’s from Littleton? It all makes sense now.
10 August 2006, on 3:43 am
BEKA BOOKS – GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT ASSROBBING COULTER CUNT JUICE WASTE OF PAPER.
I was raised fundaMENTAL christian. I was homeschooled for a year on BEKAtard BOOKS.
At the time (sixth grade,) I was hooked by the reality-denial crowd and their books.
Their books are a fucking sacrilege against reality. They look at the sky and say “god said it was purple, you better believe it.”
It is all just a bunch of emotion-apologetics.
These bunch of pussies (sorry gals, there’s a lack of better term,) are so afraid of death they invent fantasy land.
Get the fuck over it, you goddamn idiots. When you die, you’re dead. Period.
The cognitive dissonance these people are willing to endure is astounding.
Their bybel says slavery is o.k. murder is o.k. glorified (human jezass) animal sacrifice suffices for an all powerful gawd, etc.
When you ask them about these passages they say: “well that was then.” SINCE THE FUCK WHEN IS SLAVERY ANY DIFFERENT NOW THAN 2,500 YEARS AGO?
These people are so afraid of the truth of nature (we die) that they are willing to construct any kind of ridiculous mental belief structure to relieve their own cowardice.
It is completely retarded and delusional.
*steam venting*
10 August 2006, on 6:01 am
Basically all religion is underpinned with tribe mentality. And every tribe has to cast itself as superior. And every chief needs to have enemies of some sort to justify leadership and control. And every chief needs to make subjects feel inferior and in need of salvation and protection. And every chief needs to have outcasts so in someway the their subjects can vent their feelings of inferiority and feel superior.
And to this statement “The cognitive dissonance these people are willing to endure is astounding,” I say: This ASTOUNDS me … how any rational, sane person with any sense of selfworth can buy into anything above social religion (cultural, tradition, family gathering) is beyond me. I say we continue to challenge these “believers” with these simple questions:
1. Look out over the world (historical and presnt) then assume god was put before you to be judged on what you SAW, just as you would judge any other PERSON with authority and full power and control over what you saw. What would be the judgment? No apologetics! Pretend you have been commanded by god itself to judge according to sane and just HUMAN standards, standards to which you’d apply to any of us mortals. And the verdict? Be honest! the verdict?
2. Why are you not an atheist when you act like an atheist? Or let me ask a different way: what really important thing in your life do you REALLY turn over to god? Child really sick – do you JUST pray? I bet you do not! You take the same actions I as an ATHEIST would take and you get the same results! When the chips are down you really trust this god NO more than I do! Your actions speak for themselves!
Right now in England they are dealing with the results of RELIGION – NOT secularism or atheism!! It is time rational and sane people awake and recognize religion for the very DANGEROUS and SICKENING thing it is!
10 August 2006, on 9:50 am
WGTR, sorry to bring back the bad old days. I did a post earlier about A Beka called Readin’, Ritin’, and Revisin’. Odd, don’t you think, that the Valley in Lebanon where they trained all the terrorists is called “Bekaa”- which is an anagram for “A Beka”? Or, no, not odd at all.
10 August 2006, on 10:22 am
My fundamentalist Baptist niece and pastor wannabe husband are moving to Kodiak Island, Alaska on Monday (gawd “called” them there) and they are going to homeschool their three kids (who look like little Amish kids) and will be using A Beka curriculum and books. I think he wants to take them to this island to keep them away from the “ungodly” rest of the family and world and to be able to more efficiently BRAINWASH his kids. It’s not easy to take a whole family on and off an island that you can only leave by a 6-hour ferry ride (or plane which is too expensive for a family of 5 on a youth pastor’s salary). And no money to come back here (that church paid for them to move there but won’t pay to go back if they decide to)…so basically, they are “trapped” there once they get there. I really think he has a mental problem.
10 August 2006, on 10:38 am
Stardust,
I’d be willing to move to an island like that to get away from xians and religious sorts.
10 August 2006, on 10:46 am
Couldn’t we just wrap up all that mind-numbing fear that makes fundie parents keep their children shut away from the real world, call it “Agoraphobia By Proxy”, and send in Child Protective Services to extricate the innocents from the lunatic webs their parents weave? What? Too rational? It not only takes a village- as it were, but a modicum of backbone to raise a child. Sure, the big, bad world is a crazy place. You just instill in your kids the best way of dealing with that insanity, turn ‘em loose, and hope for the best.
10 August 2006, on 11:06 am
I’d be willing to move to an island like that to get away from xians and religious sorts.
Brodie, I am looking for such a place…seriously!
10 August 2006, on 11:11 am
Stardust,
I just googled Kodiak Island. It looks absolutely amazing. I’d say, say them the hell out of there and I’ll live there.
10 August 2006, on 11:12 am
I meant “get” them the hell out of there.
10 August 2006, on 11:13 am
It not only takes a village- as it were, but a modicum of backbone to raise a child. Sure, the big, bad world is a crazy place. You just instill in your kids the best way of dealing with that insanity, turn ‘em loose, and hope for the best.
When my husband and I were living down in the hell hole of Little Rock when he was in the Air Force, there was this co-worker at the base who lived next door to us who was from Missouri and married this 16-year-old naive ultra-xian girl. She is from the same town her husband grew up in and they met at a church meeting. She had been sheltered on a pig farm her whole life…homeschooled but not much outside socializing (which is extremely important if you homeschool) and when this girl went into the “outside world” she had to go on high doses of valium and other drugs to keep her from “freaking out.” She was real “jittery”…depressed, and AFRAID of EVERYTHING. We AF wives called her “Timid Tina”.
10 August 2006, on 1:52 pm
RDZ, and ConcernedJoe: like ‘they’ used to say in the 1960s…“Right On, brothers!”
As to Stardust’s Baptist neice’s Fundie hubby:
“I really think he has a mental problem.”
Oh Stardust!,…is that just being a tad harsh?…
OF COURSE NOT!…OK…yeah,…“Right On, Sister!”
OR, how ‘bout…
Me (stage left): ”Surely you jest!”
You (stage right): “Don’t call me Shirley!”
Ummm, and…that poor ‘Timid Tina’ gal…
”sheltered on a pig farm her whole life”…
isn’t that the kind of farm where Repiglicans are raised…and the mind is slaughtered? OR perhaps, just:
“The Silence of the Pigs?”
I don’t know what I’m saying! It’s Thursday, after all!
At least, I’m not flying anywhere today,…Huh?
10 August 2006, on 1:53 pm
RDZ, I’m not part of the “right” of which you speak, but damn man, the “suspected illegal immigrants” are pretty thick down here 70 miles from the border. Just the other day a suburban carrying 20 or so of them rolled and who picks up that medical bill and the bill for cleanup, and the bill for shippin’ their broken up asses back “home”. It just gets old. Fix the employment schemes and immigration system or ship them back and lock the door. I don’t expect either one to happen any time soon.
10 August 2006, on 5:48 pm
Andy, by referring to those injured in the wreck as “broken up asses” to be shipped home, I think you qualify for the “Sheriff Richard K. Jones Burgeoning Bigot” Award. Thanks for playing.
10 August 2006, on 6:40 pm
One of the main reasons nothing will ever be done about illegal immigration is simply that big business needs it to keep wages down. Of course if they keep shipping them overseas no one will really have to worry about illegal immigrants and jobs because there won’t be any anyway.
10 August 2006, on 7:01 pm
It seems all too easy for folks to endlessly bitch and moan about illegal immigrants while blithely enjoying the fruits of their cheap labor and disposable lives.
Strawberries anyone?
10 August 2006, on 7:29 pm
Eww! That strawberry had Mexican cooties on it. You know, I’ve yet to see one of those Minutemanby Viagra, militia types that looked fit enough to stoop row after row picking produce all day. Nor have I seen one volunteering to try it. And, on those corners where the boss comes by in a pickup truck to snag crews for the day, I’ve yet to see groups of white day laborers queueing up only to be rebuffed in favor of the Mexicans. Big business demands cheaper and cheaper labor, the hardworking Mexicans supply it. Fix the former and the latter goes with it. Until then, when you build a shining mansion on the hill overlooking the third world, don’t be surprised when the third world comes looking for some of teh shiny.
Another point that ought to be mentioned: With the massive oil revenues pouring into Mexican coffers lately, it’s flat out criminal that their swiss-cheesed with corruption government can’t or won’t do anything about the conditions which drive their population northwards in the first place. With the conservative, brown Bush, Calderon in power it’ll only get worse.
10 August 2006, on 8:15 pm
No kidding. I have some experience with those people. They are WHACKED.
I have a friend who was once in jail for public intox or something like that for a night. He was in that church with me in the past (my parents raised me there). He woke up in the middle of the night in the jail, from a nightmare in which he was still in the Pentecostal church.
He told me later, “I breathed a sigh of relief when I realized that it was just a dream, and I was only in jail.”
True story.
10 August 2006, on 8:31 pm
I once dreamed I kept waking up only to discover that I could no longer see my hands. They were there- I could feel my fingers, I just couldn’t see them. My arms ended in stumps at the wrist. When I picked up my drink from the nightstand, it was as though it levitated several inches beyond my right stump. I kept rubbing my eyes with those invisible hands and…nothing. Then, I realized I was awake and my blackout curtained room- down to duct tape over the alarm clock display- was too dark to see anything. My drink was on the floor.
On the positive side, I hadn’t eaten my pillow.
10 August 2006, on 10:08 pm
*enters just in time to catch the tail end of Raindogzilla’s comment* Rain, I – don’t know what to say to that… *exits quietly*
11 August 2006, on 2:56 am
RDZ, thanks for pointing me to the earlier post about BEKA. I have only been a GiFS regular for about a month.
I’ve only been a professing atheist for about 8 months.
I grew up in a bible literalist family and was “born again” (sincerely) until I was about 18ish.
I’m 22 now and starting to wake up from fantasy land.
BTW, I was a little drunk last night and had just listened to Carlin’s “You are all Diseased.” I might have went a little overboard with the expletives. Thanks George! LOL
11 August 2006, on 11:48 am
Thanks RDZ for such an informed reply. Bigoted, hardly, but thanks for the weak ad hominem attempt. If you’d like to play that game, I’m good for a go after six years in the navy. I’d expect such weak-assed name calling from Sean Hannity, but not here from a fellow non-believer. Right now, actually, they have “broken up asses” and nine of them are no longer breathing. The clown that they hired to carry them north rolled the suburban they were packed into.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/frontpage/21847.php
This kind of crap is commonplace down here. You should come down and check it out or at least keep up with it using our local papers.
12 August 2006, on 1:23 pm
Hey, Andy, I do keep up with this sort of shit, up to and including our local county sheriff- Richard K. Jones, who’s trying to singlehandedly wipe Mexicans out of Butler County, Ohio. Whether you intended it or not, the language you used revealed a seemingly genuine lack of compassion and a glibness about tragedy that is all too common in that wingnut, Minuteman, lipstick on a (racist) pig element. If that’s not the case with you, I stand corrected. There’s just nothing I loathe more than a bigot- except a fundie bigot, so I may have reacted more preemptively than normal. Mea culpa, assuming you’re sincere.
12 August 2006, on 8:14 pm
1 should watch ‘Life w/o a Mexican’. Really bad production values, story is about CA being mysteriously cloaked in some sort of impenetrable fog, while Mexican folk vanish.
Best part of the film, is how it illustrates what could conceivably happen if California had no more immigrants. It points out several areas where migrant workers contribute rather heavily.