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	<title>Comments on: The Latest Craze:  Getting Excommunicated!</title>
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	<description>Commentary, news, and rants on the evils and stupidity of belief in the big invisible daddy in the sky.  Illuminating and watchdogging the widespread attempts to institutionalize the theocratic rule of the US. Making fun of believers everywhere.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CompleteDisbelief</title>
		<link>http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/09/29/2395/comment-page-1/#comment-72074</link>
		<dc:creator>CompleteDisbelief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool! I looked up the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod before checking the replies and found the citation. https://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=3441

My original church no longer exists. (Eli Lilly owned the land and eventually wanted it for a parking lot so kicked the church off the property)  I wonder if I need to contact my local church? I'd love to get a letter. It would give me warm fuzzies to think of a pastor standing up in front of a tut-tutting congregation saying this awsome words. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;I must make known to you that our fellow member    name   , by his continued impenitence has despised    his/her    Baptism.    He/She    was under Church discipline and, although repeatedly admonished from the Word of God, has refused to repent. Following the direction of our Lord in the Gospel according to St. Matthew, I and other members of this congregation have pleaded repeatedly with    him/her    to receive Christ's forgiveness won for (him/her) on the cross, but to no avail. Nevertheless,    name    refuses to hear the Church.

In order to show the seriousness of    his/her    refusal to be forgiven and as a last effort to win    him/her    back to our Lord, I announce that    name    is now excommunicated from the holy Christian Church. Until    he/she    repents,    name    may not come to this or any other Christian altar for the Lord's Supper.    He/She    is also not permitted to serve as a sponsor at Holy Baptism nor engage in any other rights or privileges of the Church, except to hear the preaching of God's Word&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's not that I so much despise my baptism, I really could care less, especially as I can't remember it, it's more like sending away for an autographed picture of a celebrity so you can frame it on the wall. :-)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool! I looked up the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod before checking the replies and found the citation. <a href="https://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=3441" rel="nofollow">https://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=3441</a></p>
<p>My original church no longer exists. (Eli Lilly owned the land and eventually wanted it for a parking lot so kicked the church off the property)  I wonder if I need to contact my local church? I&#8217;d love to get a letter. It would give me warm fuzzies to think of a pastor standing up in front of a tut-tutting congregation saying this awsome words. </p>
<blockquote><p>I must make known to you that our fellow member    name   , by his continued impenitence has despised    his/her    Baptism.    He/She    was under Church discipline and, although repeatedly admonished from the Word of God, has refused to repent. Following the direction of our Lord in the Gospel according to St. Matthew, I and other members of this congregation have pleaded repeatedly with    him/her    to receive Christ&#8217;s forgiveness won for (him/her) on the cross, but to no avail. Nevertheless,    name    refuses to hear the Church.</p>
<p>In order to show the seriousness of    his/her    refusal to be forgiven and as a last effort to win    him/her    back to our Lord, I announce that    name    is now excommunicated from the holy Christian Church. Until    he/she    repents,    name    may not come to this or any other Christian altar for the Lord&#8217;s Supper.    He/She    is also not permitted to serve as a sponsor at Holy Baptism nor engage in any other rights or privileges of the Church, except to hear the preaching of God&#8217;s Word</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I so much despise my baptism, I really could care less, especially as I can&#8217;t remember it, it&#8217;s more like sending away for an autographed picture of a celebrity so you can frame it on the wall. <img src='http://gods4suckers.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Complete</p>
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		<title>By: Stardust</title>
		<link>http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/09/29/2395/comment-page-1/#comment-70200</link>
		<dc:creator>Stardust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This thinking can be so scary; it reminds me that I’ve got a post on the Inquisition due. Or do you think the Great European Witch Hunts are more “Halloweeny?” Or both?&lt;/i&gt;

Eve, Both would make it doubly scary! A Halloween "combo".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This thinking can be so scary; it reminds me that I’ve got a post on the Inquisition due. Or do you think the Great European Witch Hunts are more “Halloweeny?” Or both?</i></p>
<p>Eve, Both would make it doubly scary! A Halloween &#8220;combo&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramen, Star!

This thinking can be so scary; it reminds me that I've got a post on the Inquisition due.  Or do you think the Great European Witch Hunts are more "Halloweeny?"  Or both?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramen, Star!</p>
<p>This thinking can be so scary; it reminds me that I&#8217;ve got a post on the Inquisition due.  Or do you think the Great European Witch Hunts are more &#8220;Halloweeny?&#8221;  Or both?</p>
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		<title>By: Stardust</title>
		<link>http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/09/29/2395/comment-page-1/#comment-70175</link>
		<dc:creator>Stardust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If we’re as “childish” as you claim we are (and sometimes we are, just for the fun of it; besides, doesn’t religion value childlike behavior?), then what in the name of the Great Goddess Isis’ left breast are you doing here on our site?&lt;/i&gt;

Eve, It's because Jay would really like to be part of OUR group but is afraid to let go of the gawd beliefs because he has been brainwashed into believing that someone will hurt him if he doubts or gives up the sky daddy beliefs. Losing something is hard and scary...even if what one loses is a belief created in the imaginations of men.

&lt;i&gt;Could it be - oh, I don’t know - maybe - that even though you theists constitute the vast majority of the population in this country and continue to try to force us to live according to your rules even though we may disagree with them&lt;/i&gt;

The more believers can keep in the "borg system" the more they can justify their beliefs. Their faulty logic is that the more people who believe, the more "true" it must be. We are a threat because they have that little speck of doubt that could mushroom into full disbelief if they just let go of the lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If we’re as “childish” as you claim we are (and sometimes we are, just for the fun of it; besides, doesn’t religion value childlike behavior?), then what in the name of the Great Goddess Isis’ left breast are you doing here on our site?</i></p>
<p>Eve, It&#8217;s because Jay would really like to be part of OUR group but is afraid to let go of the gawd beliefs because he has been brainwashed into believing that someone will hurt him if he doubts or gives up the sky daddy beliefs. Losing something is hard and scary&#8230;even if what one loses is a belief created in the imaginations of men.</p>
<p><i>Could it be - oh, I don’t know - maybe - that even though you theists constitute the vast majority of the population in this country and continue to try to force us to live according to your rules even though we may disagree with them</i></p>
<p>The more believers can keep in the &#8220;borg system&#8221; the more they can justify their beliefs. Their faulty logic is that the more people who believe, the more &#8220;true&#8221; it must be. We are a threat because they have that little speck of doubt that could mushroom into full disbelief if they just let go of the lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Jay; as usual, you theists brilliantly display your supreme lack of a sense of humor.

If we're as "childish" as you claim we are (and sometimes we are, just for the fun of it; besides, doesn't religion value childlike behavior?), then what in the name of the Great Goddess Isis' left breast are you doing here on our site?

Could it be - oh, I don't know - maybe - that even though you theists constitute the vast majority of the population in this country and continue to try to force us to live according to your rules even though we may disagree with them, you &lt;em&gt;can't stand&lt;/em&gt; the idea of a place for agnostic/atheists to come and blow off steam at your antics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Jay; as usual, you theists brilliantly display your supreme lack of a sense of humor.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re as &#8220;childish&#8221; as you claim we are (and sometimes we are, just for the fun of it; besides, doesn&#8217;t religion value childlike behavior?), then what in the name of the Great Goddess Isis&#8217; left breast are you doing here on our site?</p>
<p>Could it be - oh, I don&#8217;t know - maybe - that even though you theists constitute the vast majority of the population in this country and continue to try to force us to live according to your rules even though we may disagree with them, you <em>can&#8217;t stand</em> the idea of a place for agnostic/atheists to come and blow off steam at your antics?</p>
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		<title>By: elaphe_mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>elaphe_mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine, Jay, that you took your ball and went home because the team was full of people you didn't care for and the rules of the game didn't make any sense.  Then they still called you and asked you to play, or asked for money for the team uniforms.  You might want to remind them that you quit and why.  I'm sick of letters from nuns asking for money.  I also feel that it is important for me to do my part to reduce the influence of the Catholic Church, even if it is something minor like reducing their membership by one.  Taking my name off that roster doesn't make me more of an atheist, but it makes me feel like less of a hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine, Jay, that you took your ball and went home because the team was full of people you didn&#8217;t care for and the rules of the game didn&#8217;t make any sense.  Then they still called you and asked you to play, or asked for money for the team uniforms.  You might want to remind them that you quit and why.  I&#8217;m sick of letters from nuns asking for money.  I also feel that it is important for me to do my part to reduce the influence of the Catholic Church, even if it is something minor like reducing their membership by one.  Taking my name off that roster doesn&#8217;t make me more of an atheist, but it makes me feel like less of a hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eve:

Why would The Catholic Church care if you died Catholic? Are you expecting them to use it in a new advertisement campaign?  "More Catholics die everyday than any other religion." That is more illogical the the "master roster" theory.

elaphe_mo: Sending a letter made you feel a bit stronger and more comfortable as an atheist? You don't believe in God; now what? you really really don't believe in God.  Are there degrees to this? merit badges maybe?

Going through the trouble of getting excomunicated when you do not believe in that Church, its rules or its God seems rather childish.

As a child, when you quit the game, took your ball and went home because you didn't like the rules, did you write a letter to your (former) friends confirming that you quit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eve:</p>
<p>Why would The Catholic Church care if you died Catholic? Are you expecting them to use it in a new advertisement campaign?  &#8220;More Catholics die everyday than any other religion.&#8221; That is more illogical the the &#8220;master roster&#8221; theory.</p>
<p>elaphe_mo: Sending a letter made you feel a bit stronger and more comfortable as an atheist? You don&#8217;t believe in God; now what? you really really don&#8217;t believe in God.  Are there degrees to this? merit badges maybe?</p>
<p>Going through the trouble of getting excomunicated when you do not believe in that Church, its rules or its God seems rather childish.</p>
<p>As a child, when you quit the game, took your ball and went home because you didn&#8217;t like the rules, did you write a letter to your (former) friends confirming that you quit?</p>
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		<title>By: Eve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elaphe_Mo:  [Seeking excommunication] is not just a way of thumbing your nose at religion (which is always fun), but also a way of feeling a bit sronger and more comfortable as an atheist.

Elaphe, I'm pretty sure that was the main point of the Atheist Foundation of America, Inc.'s piece, to empower people as openly identified freethinkers; I had some doubts myself about whether or not the RCC really does keep a "master roster" of all catholics everywhere.  They most likely only care when and if you're a public personality of some kind, or if you die with no or few funeral instructions; as long as you still show up as having been baptized catholic, and no other religion/denomination pops up to "claim" you, they can still say you died catholic.

Say No To Christ:  Does the closest [parish] to my home count?

I don't see why not; seems as good a place to start as any!

Marcus, you're welcome!

Jeff, what you're doing is a common defense mechanism psychologists call &lt;a href"http://www.answers.com/topic/projection-5" rel="nofollow"&gt;projection&lt;/a&gt;, but cheer up!  Keep going to therapy, and soon you'll be able to catch yourself at it, and substitute healthier attitudes and behaviors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elaphe_Mo:  [Seeking excommunication] is not just a way of thumbing your nose at religion (which is always fun), but also a way of feeling a bit sronger and more comfortable as an atheist.</p>
<p>Elaphe, I&#8217;m pretty sure that was the main point of the Atheist Foundation of America, Inc.&#8217;s piece, to empower people as openly identified freethinkers; I had some doubts myself about whether or not the RCC really does keep a &#8220;master roster&#8221; of all catholics everywhere.  They most likely only care when and if you&#8217;re a public personality of some kind, or if you die with no or few funeral instructions; as long as you still show up as having been baptized catholic, and no other religion/denomination pops up to &#8220;claim&#8221; you, they can still say you died catholic.</p>
<p>Say No To Christ:  Does the closest [parish] to my home count?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why not; seems as good a place to start as any!</p>
<p>Marcus, you&#8217;re welcome!</p>
<p>Jeff, what you&#8217;re doing is a common defense mechanism psychologists call <a href"http://www.answers.com/topic/projection-5" rel="nofollow">projection</a>, but cheer up!  Keep going to therapy, and soon you&#8217;ll be able to catch yourself at it, and substitute healthier attitudes and behaviors.</p>
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