Evidence seems to be that the Antarctic glacier is in fact receding, as are the polar packs in the boreal reagion. This is one reason polar bears are in trouble.

Attribution of the problem to strictly human causes might be over the top, but we have been contributors.

I’m heavily in favor of GMOs given (as you say) the provision of testing — it’s silly to turn away from a science that will save lives. It’s very easy, if you’re a well-fed citizen of a rich nation, to bleat about organic this and non-GM that; but when you’re in sub-saharan Africa and your children are starving to death, the view is a little different.

As to fish — there are some advances in aquaculture that might allow farmed fish to be harvested right out of the middle of major urban areas … and then there’s the possibility of cloning fillets and growing them in a nutrient suspension of some kind. (Which would really put some vegetarians into a strange, strange space.)

I wasn’t trying to put any words in anyone’s mouth; you appeared to be in total denial regarding some fundamental realities (such as human influence on the world we inhabit), and are apparently unconcerned about your unawareness of others (our behavior as an invasive species pretty much everywhere).

Comments such as

As for “what we’ve done” to animals, I can’t really speak to it, since we value human life so greatly over all else, it’s simply going to happen.

make it difficult to discern your intention; when you follow up with references to both overfishing and GMOs (one of which is a good thing), it makes it even harder to know both what you might be referring to and what your position might be.

As for culling … can’t disagree there. I’m moderately in favor of a Soylent Green alternative.

Huh. I wonder if I can register as a member of the Soylent Green Party.

As with god, I’m in denial of that which hasn’t been proven to my satisfaction. Perhaps there is enough evidence for you that we’re causing extreme global warming due to increased CO2, but I’m not at all convinced. When I hear proclamations of melting ice caps (they’re not), dramatically rising sea levels (they’re not) as fact, when they aren’t facts, what am I to think of those making such proclamations?

I made references to overfishing and GM foods because most green groups are against both.

I don’t always have a position on everything, lol, my brain hurts enough as it is. If this helps, I’m for GM foods, provided adequate testing is performed. After all, we’ve been genetically modifying food plants since we started agricuture howerver many thousands of years ago, through hybridization. I’m against overfishing, but I’m not sure what the solution might be. Farmed fish seem to have their own hazards.

Lol, now I have images of riot control trucks dumping people into the hopper like yesterday’s garbage.

Comments such as

As for “what we’ve done” to animals, I can’t really speak to it, since we value human life so greatly over all else, it’s simply going to happen.

make it difficult to discern your intention; when you follow up with references to both overfishing and GMOs (one of which is a good thing), it makes it even harder to know both what you might be referring to and what your position might be.

As for culling … can’t disagree there. I’m moderately in favor of a Soylent Green alternative.

Huh. I wonder if I can register as a member of the Soylent Green Party.

No, I meant plasticity. I’m not sure about the “rebound” implied in a word like elasticity.

Wow, you can’t seriously be in denial of, say, overfishing, overhunting, etc., now can you? You can’t seriously be suggesting that human-caused endangerments to, say, pandas, chimpanzees and gorillas are on par with, say, the Permian die-off … can you?

We’re more than a force of nature; unlike the average bolide we’re capable of acting wth volition. We aren’t spectators, living in a glass booth isolated from the rest of the planet; we are passengers, participants and drivers, all at once.

Denial of even a shred of human involvement in climate change simply doesn’t seem rationally defensible to me.

I have to say wow, too. You inferred an awful lot to my short reply on species. I wasn’t even sure what you were referring to, just asking for clarification is all.

As for “what we’ve done” to animals, I can’t really speak to it, since we value human life so greatly over all else, it’s simply going to happen. We simply can’t feed everyone on the planet without overfishing, encroaching on habitats, genetically modified foods, etc. Personally I think the human animal needs a good culling.

You also inferred more than I said in the rest of my statement. Did I say we can have no influence on climate? No I didn’t. I AM saying that in spite of all the hype there is no evidence of anything catastrophic occurring. I am NOT convinced, by any stretch of the imagination, that CO2, human-generated or otherwise, is driving global temperature. Or that a runaway greenhouse effect will occur as a result. If it were possible, it would have happened ANY time CO2 started to spike, would it not? And this happens quite often.

Please don’t put words in my mouth.