Will someone pass the Pepto Bismol?
30 January 2007 by Stardust
We haven’t fed the lions in quite awhile, but I say it’s about damn time! Poor kitties are starving!
All the stale little trolls who have been coming out of the bowels of the blogosphere lately just aren’t very satisfying. The lions want a more substantial “main course.”
So, since one fat, juicy troll keeps sniffing around here just asking to be the main course, we grant his wish and make Weapon of Mass Instruction at the blog called “Fanciful Land of Evolution” the lion’s next meal. I just hope the kitty kats don’t get severe indigestion after such a long fast!
Weapon has managed to get himself (maybe herself, but for now we will assume it is a he for sake of not having to take up space with political correctness) asshatted here several times right from the start for being an obnoxious drive-by troll.
Apparently, Weapon has appointed himself as “the voice of those who seek intellectual honesty protecting our children from those who have a radical hatred towards God and anything that represents him.”
The subtitle of his blog states “Adding sense to Evolutionists’ fanatical hatred toward God, conservatism, and anything that represents them.”
Weapon “intellectually honest”? LOLOL! Now, that is hilarious! “Hate god and all that represents him?” How can we hate something that doesn’t exist?
Mr. “Genius” also has our friends at Pharyngula and The Bronze Dog listed under “Blogs to Waste Time and Make Fun Of.” (After this it wouldn’t surprise me to find GifS listed there next…oohhh I’m scared, are you?)
Some little gems from Weapon’s delusional website include:
ID is on the Verge of Some of the Most Important Scientific Discoveries in the History of Science
In brief, we are about to realize that our universe does not have a Big Bang origin, but a seed origin, which initial and perpetual cosmic seed represents the zero-point of creation. For reasons of its own this seed-point created the universe for the production of human beings in its own image, similarly as an acorn creates a mighty oak tree for the reproduction of itself.
The True Nature of Atheism Revealed
There is only one problem: They have nothing good to offer to society. They only have hate.
Looking through the comments, I see that atheists aren’t the only ones laughing at Weapon.
I could list more, but we don’t want to pollute our website too much with his bullshit. You can go there and check out the idiocy for yourselves and bring some little piece of “brilliance” back and tell us what you found.
Chow down!
30 January 2007, on 11:40 pm
From the article posted by Weapons:
“The rhetoric of fear sounds from anthropology to zoology because institutions of science are filled with those who are Darwinists first and scientists second. Those like Professor Behe who are scientists first are the most to be feared by Darwinists.”
This is so infuriating! Michael Behe is not a scientist first. He is a religionist first. His alliance with the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture, the core working group of the Wedge of Intelligent Design, reveals where his true loyalty lies, not with science, but with Creationists. Barbara Forrest and Paul R. Gross have done an excellent job exposing that fraud in their book “Creationism’s Trojan Horse”.
That “seed” fantasy is hilarious. Magic beans that lead to a golden goose producing golden eggs would be more believable. Stating that the seed-point creates the whole universe is similar to the acorn creating the whole planet, not just one tree. How totally idiotic!
31 January 2007, on 12:05 am
He’s been rambling incoherently in all the recent Doggerel entries if you feel like taking the lions for a walk.
31 January 2007, on 12:42 am
Oh, and since he’s talking about seeds begetting us in God’s image, does that mean the Egyptians were right, and that Amun did it by “making exquisite love to his hand?”
Another question: Why does God have nipples?
31 January 2007, on 1:00 am
Bronze Dog - I just got back from walking the lions and holy shit, how do you put up with him? You need to start an asshatting policy…seriously! And get yourself a couple of lions!
This comment under the “I Demand Respect’ post cracks me up:
That would explain why Weapon is such a dick!
31 January 2007, on 1:03 am
Lynda, Barbara Forrest was on an episode of the Infidel Guy Radio Show. It was a great episode, especially when she railed on some asshat creationist.
She also had some great stories from the trial that made Weapon’s pal Behe look like the total fraud he is.
31 January 2007, on 2:30 am
Weapon of mass deception is more like it.
We atheists are the salvation of the world. We don’t need a god to tell us how to live with and respect each other.
31 January 2007, on 2:35 am
Weapon of mass deception
31 January 2007, on 2:36 am
Tonight’s [Jan. 30th] ABC network’s “Nightline” show, featured a segment on a very controversial Site…
“THE BLASPHEMY CHALLENGE”; which is promoting the film “The God Who Wasn’t There” by challenging non-believers to make and upload their very own, “Holy Spirit Denial”, YouTube video. They’re giving away 1001 DVDs.
Interested?
Nightline, rather tenuously, interviewed the ’suspects’; and had some pretty lame Xtians on to make criticisms. Anyway…I think you’ll enjoy taking a look…
Go to:
http://blasphemychallenge.com/
What!…make a visit?…light a candle?…and catch the rather humorous on Site Vids.
[It’s sponsored by http://www.RationalResponders.com
“BwahahahahahahahaHAHA!…oops…
Oh…
I DIDN’T wet ‘em!
31 January 2007, on 4:04 am
In brief, we are about to realize that our universe does not have a Big Bang origin, but a seed origin, which initial and perpetual cosmic seed represents the zero-point of creation.
Maybe I been wrasslin’ w/way too many creationists (I’m seeing allegory EVERYWHERE! AGH!), but something in that makes me think of panspermia.
Stardust:
By my definition everyone except the atheist have a moral standard. Mine happens to be the more reliable, the Bible.
Just 1 atheist? I’d like to meet that singular atheist. Or maybe not?
Bronze Dog:
Another question: Why does God have nipples?
Too much ingestion of the transubstantiated Holy Estrogen, I’d wager.
31 January 2007, on 4:36 am
As an addendum to my pevious comment…
This may be the most interesting of the “Blasphemy Challenge” videos.
It’s a YouTube video of Brian Flemming being interviewed on Free Talk Live tonight. Flemming is the producer of “The God Who Wasn’t There”(?); he discusses his past and answers questions with various audience call-ins.
A sound track with related pictures.
[Time: 34:54]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njNOMpnR-CE
31 January 2007, on 6:25 am
An example that ‘Weapon of Mass Instruction’, or, rather ‘Wimp of Crass Stupidity’ claims to support intellectual honest is simply vacuous verbiage is his preposterously pretentious report that ‘ID is on the Verge of Some of the Most Important Scientific Discoveries in the History of Science’.
The article to which the ‘Wimp’ refers starts of with this comment…
There then follows four paragraphs of complete and utter waffle, which includes such gems as this…
Frankly, that is so pathetically puerile as an argument that I can’t even be bothered wasting time answering it. Suffice to say that if that is an example of the Wimp’s vaunted ‘intellectual honesty’ then it is de facto proof that he is either 99.99% stupid or 100% mendacious.
The article continues, by introducing…
What the article fails to mention, however, is that the FSI claims to be…
“The unifying principle of science and religion?” What tosh is that? There is no unifying principle between science and religion, and there hasn’t been since Galileo’s days. Religion has more in common with ignorant superstition, astrology and alchemy than it has with real science - and real scientists subject their work to peer-review.
Ah, but in the sixth paragraph of the article, it responds to the objection that ID ’scientists’ (sorry for that oxymoron)have not had their work validated by peer-review with this comment about Dr. Ujavorsy…
“A recent peer-reviewed paper published at the American Chronicle…?”
Since when has the ‘American Chronicle’ been a peer-reviewed scientific journal?
Since NEVER, that’s when!
At that stage, I thought that this risible report couldn’t become any more ridiculous, but then I read this paragraph…
Hey, Dood, I’ve been an atheist since I was a small kiddie, but have never yet encountered “the rigid dogma of the philosophy behind atheism”, because there are no such things!
Obviously the import of that last paragraph will be lost on your miniscule intelligence, so let me spell it out in words of one syllable:
Atheism has no dogma, rigid or otherwise.
Atheism is not a philosophy, since it is simply the recognition of the ineluctable fact that there is no credible evidence to support the claims of theists.
But then calling something what it isn’t is all that the Wimp and so-called ‘intelligent design’ is all about.
Which begs the question: What does ‘Darwinism’s only life-support’ actually mean, for it suggests to me that the writer of the article knows very little about which he speaks. Perhaps the Wimp can elucidate (chortle).
But the funniest piece of all is the penultimate paragraph…
Were I you, mate, I’d see my physician and ask him to up the meds.
But then on reading the final paragraph, I came to the conclusion that the whole thing was a spoof…
As the writer acknowledged in his first paragraph, REAL SCIENTISTS have their work validated by peer-review, but nothing he refers to has, therefore his claims are all spurious.
31 January 2007, on 7:39 am
BTW some of the Fundies don’t like ID because it makes Gawd impossibily remote
31 January 2007, on 10:10 am
This phrase always cracks me up:
shackles of materialism
Just look at any church and see just how free from the “shackles of materialism” these religious folks are! They LOVE materialism. Fundies like to fool themselves that it is ok if it is “Xian materialism”. They think because they put the stamp of jeebus on it that it makes it ok or that it changes the meaning of being materialistic somehow. Pompous assholes and liars!
Religious folks PRAY for material wealth and prosperity and just look at TBN and the ornate television sets, the fancy clothes, jewels on their fingers, big fat hairdos,etc. That’s not just television. You can see xians going to church in their BMW’s and Lexus cars with their fancy selves and fancy kids and they thank jeebus for their material treasures, and they pray for more, more more. I think about a quote my son said “If I were a god, I would have to zap myself into oblivion after listening to these billions of selfish beggars and whiners!” (JD Hurf wrote a very good post on Prayer is Selfish Beggary)
31 January 2007, on 10:40 am
Abso-fucking-lutely!
I mentioned not long after I arrived here that a guy I used to work with (at a major telecom company) was also a Baptist minister. He told me he prayed for a new Lincoln, even though there was nothing wrong with the Lincoln he already had. This guy came to work, at night, wearing tailor-made 3-piece suits (and he wasn’t a small guy, so you know they were expensive), and rings, etc.
31 January 2007, on 10:44 am
Thanks, Old Git, for pointing out this gem:
“It is initially quite astonishing that something as obvious as intelligent design should even need testing. Do we test the idea that the sun will rise in the morning?
The answer to that question is yes. Yes, we (human scientists specifically) did test the idea that the sun “rises” in the morning. They discovered that the sun does not rise at all, ever. The sun does not circle the earth. The earth revolves giving the impression that the sun rises. Science gave us this information after observation and experimentation. The correlation of the planets to the sun was not so “obvious” after all. The impression of intelligent design is no more valid than the impression of the sun rising. So it does seem wise, based on this experience, to insist on testing the “theory” of ID.
31 January 2007, on 10:53 am
I mentioned not long after I arrived here that a guy I used to work with (at a major telecom company) was also a Baptist minister. He told me he prayed for a new Lincoln, even though there was nothing wrong with the Lincoln he already had. This guy came to work, at night, wearing tailor-made 3-piece suits (and he wasn’t a small guy, so you know they were expensive), and rings, etc.
Revenant - A couple who used to be our best friends found jeebus and were “saved” back about 20 years ago (even though we were still xians at the time, but not “true xians”, I guess) and they were trying to “save” us via bribery saying that if we accepted jeebus as our lawd and savior that we could expect great things. They said we would get whatever we asked for if we truly believed. This isn’t a god most xians worship, they worship a GENIE, only this genie doesn’t live in a magic lamp, it lives inside their brains so they can have all the greedy thoughts and desires they want and then justify it with “god wants me to be rich”.
Even average to poor xians are materialistic. Just look at the growing number of stores, shopping malls, strip malls popping up everywhere. This is a mostly xian nation, and all of this materialism cannot be doing so well from a handful of atheists! I am sick of xians blaming “godless” people for the increase in sex, violence, materialism, etc. when Xians make up an overwhelming majority of the American population. If they want to blame someone for the world being a fucked-up, materialistic mess, they need to look at themselves and to their flocks of sheeple.
31 January 2007, on 11:09 am
Here’s another funny quote from Weapon during a debate with Bronze Dog and others you can find HERE…it’s quite amusing.
Weapon, we are born with eyeballs, we are not born wearing red Santa jackets. Eyeballs are part of our physical anatomy, clothing is something we use to cover our anatomy. Go back to school!
31 January 2007, on 11:17 am
Star, my favorite suckers are the xians who pray to gawd about what car to buy, even down to what color! And what stocks to buy…
31 January 2007, on 1:04 pm
Stardust quoted WMI: I having an eyeball and a monkey having an eyeball does not make me a monkey
Very true. But how is this relevant to anything? Does anyone here remember any scientist stating that humans are monkeys, or even evolved from monkeys? We are primates, but not monkeys. WMI should take Stardust’s advice and go back to school (which does not include Liberty University or any of the other religiously run shams out there).
31 January 2007, on 1:13 pm
One thing I’ve been getting hoots out of: He says he believes that truth is objective, and yet he makes appeals to popularity (apparently under the delusion that truth is democratic) and dismisses all links to the refutations at TalkOrigins as “lazy” as if truth was subjective and relative to the effort put into it by any given person.
I suppose next he’ll call himself a capitalist while pining about how wonderful things would be if The State owned everything.
31 January 2007, on 1:28 pm
When Galileo who I guess was the Darwin hate figure of his time explained that the Earth went round the Sun. The cleverer Xians asked well how fast must the earth turn for that to be true , he said 24,000 mph. Well you wouldn’t be able to stand up they said and laughed and laughed!!
31 January 2007, on 2:28 pm
OHHHHHHHH. You mean Cocksnack.
WOMI is, as Bronze Dog has implied, one of the most thick headed trolls I’ve seen in recent times. He is a master of redefining words to fit his desired meaning or to fit into a desired outcome. He’s cute, but he gets old after a while.
31 January 2007, on 2:34 pm
I’m confused. The earth rotates at about 1000 miles per hour. Do you mean how fast must it move through space to make a 1-year revolution around the sun?
31 January 2007, on 2:46 pm
Yep I meant how fast it must turn (round the sun)not how fast it rotates (you’d still fall over!)
31 January 2007, on 3:31 pm
I’m not sure you would, since your inertia is the same as the earth’s, relatively speaking. I’m not a physics expert, so I don’t know for sure.
31 January 2007, on 3:41 pm
Speaking of thick headed trolls… look at this letter to the editor in my local paper today titled “God save America from all these hellish vices” http://www.register-herald.com/letters/local_story_030222253.html?keyword=topstory
It is so bad I am almost tempted to think that this Stephanie gal is being satirical b/c who in their right mind attacks the interstate highway system as an evidence of “moral decay”? It probably isn’t satire though, given that my hometown newspaper is one of the most sickeningly conservative papers in the country.
31 January 2007, on 3:46 pm
Do we test the idea that the sun will rise in the morning?
NEWS FLASH… they did and it doesn’t.
Hey thanks Weapon of Messy Ejaculations! You’ve contextualized ID to the correct century where that kind of belief would be current.
I realize now why Cocksnack gets so tumescent over Dr. Kazmer Ujavorsy. Why his turgid prose practically gushes with praise! His writing just shoots out a stream of pride and adoration, immersing the reader in a spray of impressive qualifications.
It all goes back to this folks.
http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/cellbiol/2002-May/014688.html
(Only read if you have an airbag handy. Major EWWW factor. Jokes about “spit or swallow” ensue.)
31 January 2007, on 4:54 pm
Spirula,
As you are aware, Ujvarosy’s article concludes:
Can you help me here, please? Did I miss something in my reading of it? I fail to see any evidence presented that injecting one’s sperm into ones’ bloodstream would, to paraphrase the author, help the body cure itself? In other words, it is not ‘evident’ to me, but then I am hardly as clever as one of ID’s foremost scientists now, am I?
And where is Ujvarosy’s peer-reviewed paper presenting all his impeccable scientific evidence?
Has it been brought to the attention of the Nobel Committee?
And what about the female of the species?
Is that why Ujvarosy’s research has been ignored by the scientific community. After all, we can’t have men having a quick wank, shooting-up the ejaculate and curing themselves whilst women are left to die of these non-inherited diseases, can we?
Or has senility finally set in, and I’ve totally lost the plot?
31 January 2007, on 5:02 pm
Ravenholm: I was shocked at that woman’s stupidity and shook my head. It would be easy for someone to judge your state by her. Not me, however, because my father was born in Shinnston and I still have family there…
But I happened to glance past her remarks for another letter, from Joe K.:
I’d like to see the followup on that!
Naomi
31 January 2007, on 5:08 pm
Naomi,
Yeah I like that Joe K. guy. He writes in quite often, thankfully counteracting some of the stupidity that most often sits on the op-ed page.
31 January 2007, on 5:27 pm
The Old Git,
Senility has set it…but not with you.
Apparently, in his blinding desire for self- insemination-sort-of, he has overlooked the fact that sperm are anatomically isolated (at a histological level) from the immune system, and there is a good reason. Any injection of sperm would produce an immune response by the individual which would destroy the sperm cells and their contents (e.g. macrophages, complement proteins). Sure they might “survive” the first (primary) exposure, but never again.
And how they would target cancer cells is beyond me. I guess sperm would rather fuse with cancer cell than an ovum, but hey, when you’re stuck in a uterine tube, whatta ya gonna do?
And as far as women are concerned, well, Eve WAS just an after-thought (Gen.2) and not really worthy of much concern. So the good Dr. is just following in Gawd’s footsteps: too bad for the wimins.
BTW, those examples of semen use in “medicine”…well, I think it is important to point out that in most cases they weren’t injecting it but they were ingesting it. Food for thought (ahem) for the good Dr U.
31 January 2007, on 5:30 pm
Dammit…”set IN”
I am officially demanding a preview button.
31 January 2007, on 5:39 pm
Spirula, I wish we had a preview button, too. We had one when we had the nice new website Sean made for us, before we were “infected” and had to revert back to the old one.
31 January 2007, on 6:15 pm
Wait… I thought xians said that masterbation was evil and a sin… but this guy is saying it can cure cancer… so which is it?
Does gawd masterbate?
31 January 2007, on 6:25 pm
Don’t you get it? If you don’t agree with a religionist you are persecuting them.
In reality, they are just not used to their belief system being scrutinized and they get defensive and a heavy dose of existential angst kicks in.
If religionists continue to use their religious beliefs as a political worldview, they can expect a lot more scrutiny.
31 January 2007, on 6:27 pm
Dearest Weapon of Mass Instruction,
You have grasped but the tip of the tail of the tiger of the mystery of our origins!
The universe we live in was not created by the ejaculation of a masturbating male god. The universe we live in was created by beings so much more advanced and powerful than we are that we can only describe them as “gods,” which is why there have been and continue to be so many diverse types of religion and beliefs in the supernatural among us humans.
You see, what we perceive as our universe is actually a cosmic experiment by these creatures to see if they can create an environment for them to live in if and when their own runs down/ends. The Earth is the only planet with such a variety of life on it because so far, it has responded the best to their terraforming and genetic manipulation techniques. They tried different sizes of planets at different distances from different types and sizes of stars - and this little blue speck just happens to be the right kind at the right size in the right place at the right time.
So is it any wonder that they’ve dedicated all this time and effort into “shaping” us? After all, how else would our primate ancestors have known to come down out of the trees and begin walking on the ground with no obvious reason to do so? We know that representatives of these beings, if not the beings themselves, have been observing, visiting, interacting, and interfering with us for time immemorial; even the Bible itself documents starship arrivals, obviously not-human beings, and space battles complete with laser cannons! I mean, what do you really think the Egyptian and Mayan pyramids are (both pre-biblical, by the way)? Starship docking areas and power plants for those same ships, that’s what!
As for the infamous book of Revelation in the bible, you have to remember that John was hallucinating at the time, so take what he said with a huge helping of salt. At any rate, it’s clear to someone in the know that he’s describing the return to earth of our creators and/or their representatives to finally and definitively reveal themselves to us. Naturally, those like yourself who cling to the notion that they are supernatural will automatically worship them and thus be relegated to the position you have chosen, that of servants, but those of us who recognize their true nature will become their chosen children, and will be elevated to our deserved places at their sides - as their equals. Don’t be fooled by our ancestors’ lack of sophistication and understanding; embrace your true destiny as a Star Child!
You mention Ujvarosy; please don’t listen to what he has to say, for to borrow a religious phrase, he’s a false prophet! Yay, for the truth doth lie in the venerable writings of Erich von Daniken, he whose science and dedication to scientific endeavor is above and beyond reproach. Be not afraid of and hate not our extraterrestrial origins!
Sincerely grokking for your further enlightenment,
Eve
31 January 2007, on 6:27 pm
Does gawd masterbate?
Why do you think gawd allows war? It is god-porn.
(BTW it is masturbate)
31 January 2007, on 6:32 pm
Wasn’t the preview we had before just a Wordpress plugin?
31 January 2007, on 6:32 pm
Eve
Good one. I like it.
31 January 2007, on 6:40 pm
Spirula I KNEW I spelt that wrong. Thanks for the correction.
31 January 2007, on 6:48 pm
Matt,
Yep, Gawd wanked off and humanity is the seed that fell to earth…But it was just the X seed so he had to make wimin out of ribs and dirt.C’mon man, read your babble!
31 January 2007, on 6:50 pm
Glad you liked it, jimmer!
31 January 2007, on 6:58 pm
That must’ve been one hell of a money shot.
31 January 2007, on 6:59 pm
What I want to know is, I have been known to…ahem…(whisper)wank…very occasionally during my lifetime…Does that make me a god?
31 January 2007, on 7:01 pm
Eve, you are my goddess!That was brilliant. True too! Well, as true as what the idiots who purport to support ID allegedly believe in.
31 January 2007, on 7:02 pm
Eve,
I seem to recall that you made reference to ergot, the mold found on rye that is the organic version of LSD, to be one of the primary suspects in mass hallucinations of people in the early part of the crusades. I would deduce that this mold and it’s side effects have been around since the introduction of domestic grain. I also recall that one of the favorite grains of the mideastern region is rye. Do you suppose those whacky babble writers may have been tripping?
31 January 2007, on 7:05 pm
Spirula,
I noticed that in some of the reports that the brilliant mad scientist Dr Urology, no, sorry, Ujavorsy mentioned was one that claimed that Australians drank their own sperm.
Having lived in OZ for a number of years, I can’t say I ever found any evidence to support that claim. Mind you, some of their brews tasted more like the stuff that Dr Urology would be more familiar with.
31 January 2007, on 7:05 pm
Matt,
I think I saw that shot on some website. Man, Gawd is HUGE! No wonder Mrs. Gawd left!
31 January 2007, on 7:08 pm
You know Russman, I suppose this is why gawd is suck a cruel bastard.
He’s an giant dick.
31 January 2007, on 7:11 pm
What surprises me as a Brit who is not too familiar with the US, is that you allow people like the Wanker of Mad Insemination (who rather pretentiously thinks of himself as the ‘Weapon of Mass Instruction’), loose to walk the streets and exercise his franchise.
I was under the apprehension, clearly false, that yours was a caring Nation, but not to lock someone like him up in a secure mental health facility is unnecessarily cruel and inhumane.
Shame on you!
31 January 2007, on 7:12 pm
Russman:
As opium in the ME has been a bumper crop since the beginning of recorded time, my money’s on smoking/snorting/ingesting that substance, in re: mass delusion/mass hallucination.
Unless there’s a prevalence of wheat and/or rye in the ME?
31 January 2007, on 8:24 pm
He’s probably posing as a politician. And as much as we try to lock them all up, we just can’t keep up.
31 January 2007, on 8:44 pm
TOG
That depends…
Just before you, uh, annointed yourself, did you scream out, “Oh Me! Oh ME! OH MY ME!”
What does Mrs. Old Git think about your god status? You’re only a god if SHE allows it!!!
31 January 2007, on 10:06 pm
I’ve just read some of this guy’s links. Is it me or does this jerkwad make absolutely zero sense? What the hell is he talking about?
31 January 2007, on 10:16 pm
Is it me or does this jerkwad make absolutely zero sense?
jimmer, it’s not you. The jerkwad makes zero sense.
31 January 2007, on 10:21 pm
jimmer:
9 out of 10 times, I can usually do the mental backflips necessary to understand these loons. I dunno if that’s a good thing, or not. Comes from hanging out w/druggee wackadoofs in my youth, I think.
But that eyeball thing crossed both of mine.
31 January 2007, on 10:23 pm
Weapon hates PZ Myers. LOL!
In addition to Science, Weapon also needs to go back to spelling classes. ( “All for thesises” LOL!)
And again, how can one rebel against something that doesn’t exist. Man, this dude is DENSE.
AND he uses his “limited knowledge” as an excuse not to back up his claims. (What happened to Christian education being so superior???)
31 January 2007, on 10:54 pm
TOG: St.Ronald the Divine (aka PrezReagan) emptied out the asylums, arguing that their freedoms had been abridged…
Go figure!
Naomi
31 January 2007, on 11:27 pm
While patently not true about evolution (evolution helps us understand the world around us to a trememdous degree), I can’t name a single contribution to society that religion has made. Unless you consider death, and duping billions contributions.
If he’s referring to scientists like Einstein, he’s wrong. And the only thing such a statement REALLY says is how thorough brainwashing and fear can control people, even intelligent people.
If he means PUBLIC education, that may be true, but secular private schools are leaps and bounds better than catholic schools and “christian” education.
So have high-school dropouts, BFD.
31 January 2007, on 11:48 pm
The thing about scientific breakthroughs coming from religious people reminds me of some bullshit someone spouted in a letter to Newsweek. It went on how it was a good thing Sam Harris wasn’t around to tell Mother Thersea and MLK Jr. about the evils of religion.
Of course this person is completely clueless about their own religion. MLK Jr., regardless of his theistic status, rebelled against rules set out by his “infallible, innerrant gawd” and Mother Thersea did nothing but allow people suffering alone in the streets to suffer on a cot in a room with other people.
All scientific breakthroughs contradicted the “infallible, innerrant word of gawd.” For example: medicine and medical treatments, based on the Bible, are evil because the Bible commands prayer instead. To go to the doctor to get some antibiotics for the flu, or to a hospital to have your appendix removed is against the will of gawd who said all you had to do was pray.
Unfortunately very very few xians actually listen to this. I guess they figure this was one of those things that are to be taken “symbolically”, you know, like killing gays and disobeident children.
1 February 2007, on 12:26 am
According to Weapon, all the breakthroughs coming from evolutionary algorithms can’t exist, since evolution can’t work. Say goodbye to some of the new breakthroughs in modern robotics, artificial intelligence, etcetera.
1 February 2007, on 1:05 am
Bronze Dog, that sounds like the arguements for a flat earth. The moon missions never happened because all the photos of Earth are round, etc. etc.
1 February 2007, on 1:15 am
The thing I like most about creationists is that they always, always, always resort to personal attacks and always, always, always question the religious beliefs of the evolutionary. Of course they only do this because if they do, then the evolutionary has already lost since the xians in the crowd have already written off everything s/he says as part of the evil atheist conspiracy.
1 February 2007, on 1:39 am
Matt said:
Their combination of prayer and cutting-edge medicine is nothing more than “belt & suspenders” thinking. With a good doctor AND gawd on your side, your chances improve mightily!
Oh, Zeus, deliver us from bone-headed xians–they’re no longer cute and amusing!
Naomi
1 February 2007, on 1:45 am
Of course. And then when the doctor treats your disease through the use of science, or the surgeon does a delicate operation that goes off without a hitch, it’s not the individual who spent money and time on learning their trade, but some invisible deity who by their logic CREATED and INFLICTED said disease or ailment in the FIRST PLACE!
Of course let’s not forget that if these surgery skills were given to the surgeon by their gawd, why the hell did it take so long before we developed surgery, and why the hell did it take so long before we managed to do it safely and painlessly?
1 February 2007, on 2:14 am
Eve shared: “Yay, for the truth doth lie in the venerable writings of Erich von Daniken, he whose science and dedication to scientific endeavor is above and beyond reproach.”
Ah, yes, Eve…
good old “Chariots of the Gods” et. al…Erich!
An early 1970s influence, in the day!
Nice summary of the REAL Truth!…After all…
“Truth IS stranger than fiction!”…Ahem!
Actually…who knows?
1 February 2007, on 3:24 am
Revenant:
Never heard of Pensacola. I’m assuming Mr. Tampon of Mass Delusion was referring to the xtian college?
Interesting:
“PCC offers over sixty undergraduate programs of study. Post-graduate degrees are offered in Education, Music, Art, Divinity, Ministry, Nursing, and Business Administration. A history major is available, but does not offer any coursework related to the Pre-Columbian Americas or to any other civilization whose existence would contradict the college’s beliefs concerning the age of the earth. PCC is not accredited so pursuing a graduate degree, or getting employment where an accredited degree is required, may be difficult for PCC graduates.[2] However, the nursing program is certified by the Florida State Board of Nursing.”
Accreditation:
“Pensacola Christian College is not accredited by any recognised accreditation body. As such, its degrees may not be acceptable to employers or other institutions, and use of degree titles may be restricted or illegal in some jurisdictions. The Chronicle of Higher Education reported.”
Use of title degrees may be illegal?
Gave a coupla examples, too.
“[Abel Harding] applied to the University of Florida and was told that none of his credits would transfer. “I had to start over,” he says. So, after three years at Pensacola, he enrolled as a freshman at nearby Santa Fe Community College
[Amy Brown] graduated from Pensacola in 2003 with a degree in early-childhood education. But because the college is not accredited, she cannot teach in public schools.”
& they even have rules against glossalia!
http://www.answers.com/topic/pensacola-christian-college
It’s scary, scary reading.
1 February 2007, on 3:34 am
KA
Many PCC students along with Liberty U students find employment in Gov’t offices. Especially in Washington. Apparently this school’s qualifications are sufficient for our misrepresentatives.
1 February 2007, on 4:36 am
Did C. S. Lewis conciously make Aslan a lion or did he merely want to reverse the already potent image of intelligent secular Romans feeding their wonderful felines deluded “Christians?”
I’d have to go with “he did” and he wanted to counter it.
Tom Paine said xianity was a “manism.” I’d have to agree. If a superman comic had been written instead of the Bible in its time, we’d have a bunch of fanatics spreading “his word,” you know, superman’s. Instead of rising the third day, it’d be spinning the world round to rise again. The general population of human beings are not very smart, to say the fucking least.
1 February 2007, on 5:12 am
OMFG this guy is a moron! The lions will not be satisfied by this cheesy poof!
1 February 2007, on 5:32 am
Ah, yes, how silly of me to overlook that. We also have problems over here with megalomaniac religious politicians too.
1 February 2007, on 5:36 am
I didn’t know that I yelled it so loud that it could be heard across the pond!
Too true, Karen, because Mrs Old Git is a goddess in her own right!
1 February 2007, on 5:40 am
Naomi, they did that here to - the reason was that it saved the government billions. They call it ‘Care in the Community’, which is just a euphemism for ‘fuck off and die’.
1 February 2007, on 5:49 am
Even were the Wanker of Mass Idiocy’s claims true - about sceintists, that is, we all know that HE has ‘limited knowledge’), so what?
If every person in the world believed in this thing you call the ‘Creator’, their combined beliefs still would NOT amount to credible evidence per se that a ‘Creator’ exists!
Evidence, you sub-cretinous mental degenerate, exists independently of the believer.
1 February 2007, on 5:51 am
Oops, typed ’scientists’ wrongly; that’ll give WMI something to crow about - after all, he does have very little to go on.
1 February 2007, on 6:29 am
And speaking about scientists, I now know where the so-called Dr Ujavorsy must have obtained his qualifications. It was here:
So there you have it, folks; now you too can become one of Intelligent Design’s leading scientists within 2 weeks”. Guffaw!
BTW, The telephone number is allegedly real (i.e. it was posted on the web as such);I haven’t tried it, but I accept no responsibility for the outcome should any one stupid enough to do so (I know that warning is not necessary for the gifted on GIFS, but loonies like Ujavorsy might be tempted to boost their lack of self-esteem by giving large sums of money to some charlatan in exchange for some worthless ‘promise’ or other - after all, that’s what they do in churches every Sunday!)
1 February 2007, on 9:10 am
Ujvarosy is a complete hack. Have you seen his recent blabberings? They’re some of the most inane arguments I’ve ever seen.
1 February 2007, on 10:06 am
Eve shared: “Yay, for the truth doth lie in the venerable writings of Erich von Daniken, he whose science and dedication to scientific endeavor is above and beyond reproach.”
I used to believe that crap, whe I was a young, impressionable youth. I remember actually seeing the film “In Search of Ancient Astronauts”, narrated by Leonard Nimoy, which essentially puked a lot of Von Daniken’s stuff back out to the audience. This was shown to us in school, I think it was middle school, some time in the early to mid 70’s.
1 February 2007, on 10:10 am
Doesn’t look like your blog is working, BigDumbChimp. Did you stick another banana in the server??
1 February 2007, on 10:20 am
Hummmmmm should be working fine. It may be that blogger is shitting the bed again (happens all the time).
heres the full addy
http://bigdumbchimp.blogspot.com/2007/01/kazmer-ujvarosy-id-fanboy.html
1 February 2007, on 10:21 am
Yeah looks like a blogger error. You can find it on the front page still. The link on my name works.
1 February 2007, on 10:30 am
Cool, BDC. FYI, anyone who doesn’t care for Blogger is free to start their own blog at my site. All you have to do is register and you can start posting on your own blog. It’s not as distinct as a blogger account would be, but hey, it works. Just click my name above.
1 February 2007, on 10:31 am
Actually I get the same error when clicking your name link…
1 February 2007, on 11:24 am
Rev. BigDumbChimp,
As I commented on your blog, I don’t know how you got through Dr. U’s “arguments”.
BTW, you used to be able to get a detailed information on PCC’s standards of conduct on their website, but now it appears that they only mail it out to prospective students. It is one of the most outrageous examples of sexual repression and denial around. The euphamisms “making eye babies” and “optical intercourse” prove that euphamisms are often more graphic than conventional terminology (e.g. flirting). Hilarious.
1 February 2007, on 12:03 pm
For more on Pensacola Chreistian College. Here is the link for March 31 2006, Lya K Did this expose of them here at GIFS. “Eye babies” For some reason I think of Marty Feldman.
http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2006/03/31/xian-parenting-tip-159-get-thy-children-to-a-cult/
1 February 2007, on 1:59 pm
If my comments contain a lot of errors in the future, you can thank Old Git.
His comment
caused me to splurt a mouthful of coffee onto my keyboard…
I will try to look for typos, but the keys are probably gonna stick even more than usual!
1 February 2007, on 2:02 pm
Damn…misspelled euphemism TWICE. So which should I replace first, my brain or my hands?
1 February 2007, on 2:14 pm
No, Spirula–blame it on your coffee-damaged keyboard, like Karen suggested!
1 February 2007, on 2:48 pm
Damn blogger. grumble grumble grumble
1 February 2007, on 3:52 pm
Hey, BDC, the links worked, and I was able to read your analytical shredding of that charlatan Dr Urology’s so-called ‘paper’ which, you must have noted, was published once again in that allegedly ‘peer-reviewed scientific journal’ the “American Chronicle”.
Whilst I admire how well you destroyed Dr Piss-head’s stream of micturated drivel, you should be advised that reading too much of that logorrhoea can severely damage your mental health.
1 February 2007, on 4:37 pm
Thanks for bringing back the Lion’s Feed. AS soon as I get some decent mail, expect a mailbag post.
1 February 2007, on 5:02 pm
Wow, this was fun; thanks for bringing back the “Lion’s Feed,” Star! Sean would be so proud…
Revenant, I used to believe in von Daniken, too! But not particularly faithfully; I enjoyed him mostly as a way of playing devil’s advocate with theists. Then I went back to reading and watching real science, and the scientific method as opposed to his dilettante-archaeological/anthropological-cherry-picking just blew me away. Real science is so much more detailed, rigorous, and plain fascinating to apply to the real world that I relegated “ancient astronauts” to where they belonged: the realm of fiction.
Russman, ergotism seems to be a favorite possibility to bring up right now in “diagnosing” ancient hallucinations, but as Krystalline Apostate pointed out, opium’s been around that area for a long time, too, although from what I’ve read (granted, not too in depth), ergot’s hallucinations seem to be stronger/more vivid? I know so little about this, really, when I think about it! Also, I seem to recall someone mentioning wormwood (the supposed hallucinogenic in absinthe) as the author of Revelation’s drug of choice…
Hmm - a post or two on this subject? *once again furiously scribbling notes*
1 February 2007, on 5:42 pm
Wow, this was fun; thanks for bringing back the “Lion’s Feed,” Star! Sean would be so proud…
I was hesitant to tackle Lion’s Feed because it was one of Sean’s regulars and he did it so well. On the other hand, I knew that the Lion’s were famished and needed to be fed, and I can see by the number of comments just how hungry they really were!
Long live Sean’s memory!
1 February 2007, on 5:46 pm
I wonder why that pesky troll is now that we have brought him front and center stage???
1 February 2007, on 5:54 pm
Eve:
That was me.
Revenant, I used to believe in von Daniken, too! But not particularly faithfully; I enjoyed him mostly as a way of playing devil’s advocate with theists.
My 1st experience w/skepticism was w/EVD. I’d read his book, & some of my peers in HS were enthralled w/the idea. I read a particularly scathing critique somewhere, & echoed it to a young lady of my acquaintance.
As it turned out, it was my 1st conscious encounter w/attacking a ’sacred cow’ of sorts: I was treated to a particularly scathing attack on my POV as well as my person.
opium’s been around that area for a long time, too, although from what I’ve read (granted, not too in depth), ergot’s hallucinations seem to be stronger/more vivid?
LSD is derived from ergot. I experimented w/it in my wild wastrel youth. Never ever saw ‘angels, devils’ or any other personification. Nor w/sillycybin. Too earthy, I’d guess.
However, as w/any mind-altering substances, it leaves the user wide open to suggestion. Double-down w/a religious obsession, I’d guess?
I was in it for the pretty colors, not seeking some ‘epiphany’.
Also, I seem to recall someone mentioning wormwood (the supposed hallucinogenic in absinthe) as the author of Revelation’s drug of choice…
Guilty as charged, ma’am.
1 February 2007, on 7:22 pm
I seem to recall someone mentioning wormwood (the supposed hallucinogenic in absinthe) as the author of Revelation’s drug of choice…
As far as I am aware, the alleged hallucinogenic agent in absinthe was wormwood, which contains thujine - the so-called ‘hallucinogenic agent’, but subsequent analysis has shown thujine not to be a hallucinogenic at all.The real causal factor in absinthe was apparently the extremely high alcohol content of the beverage itself - up to 75% pure ethyl alchohol, or approx 130 proof spirit.
1 February 2007, on 7:36 pm
KA,
As for your comparison of LSD with opium, I have also experimented with both. The differences I noted were that opium induced a stupefaction and torpor, whilst ‘acid’ was a very much wide-awake and active experience that one physically took part in. In other words, the hallucinations with acid were far more ‘real’ than those with opium.
It was this very ‘reality’ of tripping under acid that led to a number of well-known deaths, such as people who flung themselves out of windows believing they could fly, etc.
I even remember feeling that if I felt pure, unadulterated love towards another person, they could not physically harm me. Fortunately it was never put to the test, because the other party was restrained (by non-tripping friends) from branding me across the face with a red-hot poker in order to test my drug-induced belief.
Needless to say, I was disappointed at them doing so, because I BELIEVED that I could not be hurt at the time.
Amazing what dysfunctional neurology can make one believe in, isn’t it?
1 February 2007, on 7:58 pm
Sorry I couldn’t remember it was you, Krystalline (and you said it on my own post about the book of Revelation, no less)!
Thanks to both you and The Old Git for clearing up the business of hallucinations and tripping for those of us too cowardly to try it for ourselves. I have read lots of accounts critiquing the charges of hallucinogen thrown at wormwood, and already tended to think of it as a substance more along the lines of nutmeg, you know? You’d have to consume far too much than humanly possible to really feel the effects. Now I know…
OK, so ergotism and opium still rank tops for biblical hallucinogens! Anyone know the history of hashish? I mean, the Assassins came along much later in time…
Hmm, is this OT? Or are we unconsciously ascribing Weepin’s ravings to intoxication?
1 February 2007, on 9:41 pm
Eve and TOG,
I too spent many wasted days and wasted nights under the powerful spells of LSD (and psyllicbin), hashish and every strain of the cannibis family, and to a much lesser extent, a bit of smoked opium when available. My question of ergotism being the root of ME based religions is largely speculative and rhetorical. Opium requires a concerted and concentrated effort to produce as well as use.Hashish alsorequires the producer and user to make an effort to partake. Ergot however can affect an entire population through the simple and innocent act of eating the contaminated grain.
I think it is entirely conceivable that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are founded on some wild fantasies brought about by some serious hallucinations. Remember that these visions/ fantasies/hallucinations could have gone on for days, weeks, months, even years or until the contaminated grain supply was exhausted. Repeated use of storage vessels (mostly porous clay) could have kept the fungus viable for as long as the pot was in use.
I am surely not the first person to propose this theory. My question now becomes have any of you seen this presented as a reason why the big 3 from the middle east are full of contridictions and seemingly irrational beliefs and characters?
1 February 2007, on 11:38 pm
Ooh, Russman; good points and great question; I honestly can’t recall anyone proposing that hypothesis (doesn’t mean it hasn’t been done, of course). However, I do remember jimmer (or was it you?) wondering who the first author was to speculate that humans developed our documented archetypes from the hallucinations induced by specific drugs - and of course we find those archetypes in many of the religions, including the Big 3, of Western civilization, so perhaps it’s been touched upon before…?
2 February 2007, on 2:01 am
Let’s see:
Not only the drugs…
no air conditioning!…Yikes; drugs AND insufferable desert heat! [Or insufferable cold!] How fucked up a situation is that…even by itself?
So…
Drugs…awful, long term, heat [and cold]…previous childhood brainwashing…lousey water supplies…no clean shit houses…camel spit [or animal of your choice...and dung!]…bad cart wheels [no gas stations?]…low I.Q.s?…extreme Horniness…
Oh, alright…you fill in the rest?
Did they too, perhaps, ask:
“What have the Romans ever done for us?”
OK…
Bottom-line result: STUPID BULLSHIT!
…and they’re progeny are all fighting over it…today! HELP!!!
2 February 2007, on 2:03 am
…”their progeny”…aargh!
2 February 2007, on 2:31 am
Eve:
Went a-huntin’, came up w/http://www.answers.com/topic/entheogen
“But what is essential in Christianity is the concept of “The Anointed” or Christ or Messiah, for the priests at first, Levites first of all, instated by Moses himself, and then later for Kings, particularly Saul, David and Solomon, and of course Prophets. This anointing with the “holy chrism” is a practice that must not be open to laymen. The recipe of this “chrism” is given in Exodus 30:22-33 and it contains one element known has “Kanah bosm”, that is to say the blooms of a plant that is today identified as cannabis. One reference is essential in that field, even if there are a few mistakes or fuzzy elements in it: Chris Bennett and Neil McQueen, “Cannabis and the Christ: Jesus used Marijuana” on http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html.”
& mandrakes are mentioned in Genesis 30:14-16.
Wow.
Once the gospels were written & codified, betcha $ to donuts that’s when xtianity shut down drug use.