More proof that superstition (especially that of the alleged ‘afterlife’) is hazardous to life and limb.
From the Scotsman:
‘Ghost bride’ returns to haunt Chinese trio
CHINESE police have arrested three men for killing two young women and selling their corpses as “ghost brides” for dead, single men.
The women were victims of a belief dating back to before the Han dynasty in the highlands of western China that young men and women who die unmarried should go to their graves accompanied by a recently deceased partner to be their spouse in the afterlife.
Yang Donghai, 35, a peasant of Shaanxi province, confessed to killing a woman bought from a poor family for 12,000 yuan (£785) last year, China’s Legal Daily reported yesterday. Yang said he was “tricked” into buying the girl, who was mentally handicapped and unable to care for herself.
Realising she was not marriage material for himself, Yang hatched a plan to recover his losses with Liu Shengha, who reportedly told Yang: “Who wants a living person? A dead woman’s body still gets a great price in Shanxi.”
The two men went to Shanxi to find a buyer, making contact with Li Longsheng, an undertaker whom police said was known for buying and selling dead women for “ghost weddings”. Yang and Liu poisoned and then strangled the girl, selling her to Li for 16,000 yuan.
Emboldened by their success, Yang and two accomplices lured a prostitute to an abandoned courtyard where they strangled her and sold her to Li for 8,000 yuan. “I did it for the money; it was a quick buck,” Yang said, according to the paper. “I planned to do a few more.”
Zhang Zhangyan, the Yan Chuan county police officer, said: “It’s a good thing we broke this case when we did, otherwise who knows how many women would have been murdered? These guys found a get-rich-quick scheme.”
People on mainland China and Taiwan, and Chinese people throughout Asia, still carry out “ghost marriages”.
According to superstition, the unmarried dead will often haunt the living in dreams and can ruin the prosperity of future generations unless their ghosts are wed.
When the Communist Party took control of mainland China in 1949, it sought to eliminate “feudal customs” such as foot-binding and arranged marriages that relegated women.
However, despite decades of rapid political and economic change, many old superstitions persist. And in China - where no method for getting rich is beyond the pale, from the organ trade to mass production of fake medicines - cases such as these may not be rare.
Police in Yanan, the poor and dusty corner of Shaanxi where Chairman Mao Zedong nurtured his Communist revolution, believe there may be many more ghost brides acquired by murder.
Tai Jianlin, the journalist who interviewed Yang, believes this case reveals a dangerous gap between the rich and modernising cities and the poor and often backward countryside.
This is just so incredibly wrong on so many levels, it boggles the mind. For one, it relegates women to property, whether alive or dead. For another, superstition enables the greedy to prey upon the ignorant. For yet another, it allows greed to overcome anything resembling a modicum of decency.
The Asia Times reports, from the same story:
An investigation by Southern Weekly uncovered similar cases of women murdered to be sold as brides in marriages in the afterlife in the provinces of Shanxi and neighboring Shaanxi.
Some have speculated that the murders have been prompted by the mounting death toll in China’s mining industry, which has pushed up demand for ghost wives for casualties. In many of the interior provinces where coal is produced in small and unsafe mines, deadly accidents have been happening weekly. China’s official tally of coal miners’ deaths for 2006 stood at 4,746, or an average of 13 each day.
With so many male miners dying prematurely, there is a booming market for ghost wives, one middleman told Xinjingbao. “If the groom has died in a coal-mine accident, my commission for finding a bride is higher,” the man, identified as Wang Zengxi, told the paper.
Coupled with the madness of killing girl children, China will soon be a sausage fest, and the population will drop rapidly.
I call this spiritual necrophilia, which, in truth, extends to the morbid fascinations that enable folks to not only have physical relations with the deceased, but allow them to baptise the dead, mutilate the dead, and yes, even murder innocent bystanders in the name of death.
Each time I read some grotesque new spin on an old scam, the words of Dorothy Parker spring to mind: “What fresh hell is this?”
(’Hell’, by the way, is another word I refuse to surrender to the theist.)
The sooner we are free of this madness, the better off all of humanity will be.
Because life is too short, and there is no hereafter. Best then, not to run smiling into the arms of mortality.
This is the Apostate, signing off.


I had no idea this shit was going on. Absolutely none. Ugh. Now I have yet another reason to hate humans.
If you’re not a misanthropist, you’re not paying attention
About Indian, not Chinese history and the abolishment of “sati”–burning alive of widows in India.
“Rammohun Roy (c.1772-September 27, 1883), a Hindu monotheist, who made early translations of Vedic scriptures into English, co-founded the Calcutta Unitarian Society, and later founded Brahmo Samaj. He successfully campaigned against sati, the practice of burning widows. He sought to integrate Western culture with the best features of his own country’s traditions. He promoted a rational, ethical, non-authoritarian, this-worldly, and social-reform Hinduism. Thus he has been called the “Father of Modern India.” His writings sparked interest among British and American Unitarians, inspired Unitarian missionary work in India, and influenced the Transcendentalists.”
http://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/rajarammohunroy.html
Of course he was a deist, but considering his time and society, he accomplished a lot.
bernard says: How do you know there is no afterlife, can you offer any proof or articulate reason for your opinion, any hard facts. Please show me.
Mods say - How do YOU know there is an afterlife? You don’t. And you come to atheist sites because you know it’s not true and by trying to convince us, you are actually trying to convince yourself. I have been where you are…questioning. Keep questioning and one day you will be able to accept that you are just hoping for something more. As for proof, it is up to the believer to prove to us there is an afterlife since you are the one making the claim. We cannot prove that something is not. But if you say something is, then you should be able to show us with verifiable and tangible evidence. No god botherer and/or afterlife believer has yet to provide “hard facts” for the existence of your imaginary friend and your imaginary sugar-plum fantasy land somewhere over the rainbow.
bernard says: Or do you want to believe that as a comfort against the possibility of accountability for you life.
Mods say - This is the programmed bullshit we get all the time. We are accountable to ourselves and to society, not someone else’s imaginary friend. It is the believer who seeks comfort from the reality that one day you will no longer exist. Most humans find it extremely distressful that we shall not exist forever, so creating beliefs and believing in an imaginary afterlife gives many the crutch needed to cope with the reality of death…and also whatever hardships life brings. If you need that to float your boat, that is your right…however, some of us realize that it is only a coping device and we cope in other ways, mainly acceptance of the reality of nature.
bernard says: The problem with your opinion is, that when you die, if your wrong its too late.
So, you believe as an “insurance policy”…just in case? If an all-powerful god did exist, it/he/she would see right through that bullshit! You are living your life according to wishful thinking while attempting to avoid reality. What a waste…and then yes, when you die it is too late to start living life. It’s too late for everyone at the end of one’s life.
Don’t bother trying to evangelize to us further. Most of us are ex-Xians, adults with life experience, and we have heard this all before. If you continue to keep deluding yourself, that is your choice but don’t look for any of us to come join you. Been there, done that…we choose the path of reason. ~ Moderators
bernard, wtf did your comment have to do with murdering people so that their spirit can be joined with another’s spirit in an afterlife marriage? Are you a believer in spiritual necrophilia?
Just some purely personal observations:
Marcy…I think the term is misanthrope…I could be wrong, of course.
As to KA’s original: “Because life is too short, and there is no hereafter.”
My subjective analysis…
As an “agnostic” atheist [i.e. No belief in any gods…but lots of items left to the ‘unknown’ files]…
I would clarify my particular stance:
“Life is too short”…obvious to most of us, except perhaps for hard core misanthropic extremists?
[A point I waver on, quite often…erm…Sometimes I feel VERY misanthropic!]
“There is no hereafter”…assuming ‘hereafter’ to mean absolutely no ‘consciousness’ survival…I prefer to classify that as currently, and perhaps forever, in the realm of…scientifically, and practically speaking…’Unknown’; or even perhaps: ‘Unknowable’.
I certainly have no belief in the usual, and I think, ridiculous, religious notions (especially the ‘Western’ ones!) of an afterlife.
Of course, death, for each of us, subjectively, may or may not solve the perennial riddle…?
“Dear Sean…are you listening?…WTF!…We’re all waiting!…Just a gentle tap on any of the Mods heads might do the trick!”
I’m KIDDING, Mods…aren’t I?
[Or maybe…is the Sphinx smiling?…or perhaps…just wincing?]
With nothing more to go on, than the usual scientifically unproven, purely “anecdotal” related ‘evidence’…like all those religious arguments with fundies…it’s a TOTAL waste of time, bothering to argue about it, either way…especially…in my humble (but arrogant?) opinion, with…
of ALL people…
fellow atheists.
But like I said to Marcy, above…revised a bit…
“I can ALWAYS be wrong”.
I rest MY case on the “Falsifiability Principle”.
(Raises mouse hand in mock oath!)
bernard is most likely one of those mormon-morons who baptize the dead through spiritual proxy ceremonies, where human fools pretend to stand-in for the dead, who wouldn’t have believed in the silliness when they were alive!
Good grief! The lengths that xians go to - to protect their turf!
Ah, a hereafterian has emerged from the woodwork.
Let me understand this: I have to prove a negative to you? This is known as the Negative Proof fallacy.
Say, hypothetically, that I insisted that I had been abducted by aliens. Would the onus be on me to prove the positive, or on you to prove the negative?
Please don’t tell me it’s different somehow - it’s simple logic. I say the afterlife is an extravagant claim. Prove otherwise.
This hoary old chestnut.
Newsflash: I’m a bear for accountability. Otherwise, I’d be a theist.
Saddest invocation of Pascal’s wager I’ve seen yet. So I’d best believe, in order to hedge my bets? Why don’t I just adopt some New Age polyglot - equal portions of Islam, Judaism, xtianity, throw in a little Vodoun, a tincture of Manichean cilantro, etc? Or, as Flanders on the Simpsons says, “We contribute to 8 different churches - just to be safe.”
So, sadly, no soul, no afterlife, no cosmic babysitter.
Unless you can provide realtime proof.
Off thread, but I have a new visitor on my blog who wants to know why we atheists feel the need to have our atheist blogs and books, and post our nitpicking posts dissecting Christianity and why can’t we just keep quiet and not ruin things for the 90% of the people of America who believe in a higher power.
I already posted my response to him, but I wanted to give him an overwhelming response from many atheists bloggers or from atheists who frequent them. Come on over to Exercise in Futility and give enlighten him. The post is titled “I’m an Atheist and I’m Proud of it!”
Thanks.
Tom
It is really say that Bernard and others would use Pascal’s Wager to prove that it is safe to believe in a god. So they would rather throw away the one life away to support something that does not exist. I have been thinking for the past days and I, consciously, said that there is no reason for a god. You can say all you want fundies but, it is true.
Now for the topic, I just do not get the ghost marriage thing, how have I never heard of it. I just learn of a victim soul on this site, now this. So what makes them believe in folly like this? I am with Krystalline Apostate. Anyone will make a quick rich scheme on anything, no matter how illogical it is.
I already posted my response to him, but I wanted to give him an overwhelming response from many atheists bloggers or from atheists who frequent them. Come on over to Exercise in Futility and give enlighten him.
I’ve been there tommy, and have left a couple of comments to “enlighten” yabbadabbadoobie…but doubt it will. If he comes back, expect the same drivel from him.
Thanks for coming by and sharing your two cents worth Star and KA.
Bedrock is one of those 70+ year old folks who believe that 1950’s America was some kind of golden age until the hippies, liberals and atheists ruined everything.
What’s funny is that he admits himself to not being particularly religious, but apparently he sees Christianity as a fundmanental “bedrock” or glue that holds our society together and without it we would descend into chaos.
tommy, well he sure does a lot of defending for claiming to not me particularly religious. What’s even more weird is to hear people nowadays in their 20s blaming the hippies and liberals for everything!
Returning to KA’s post…that is what we could call “dead-end marriages”…sorry, I know it’s dumb…couldn’t help myself. LOL!
Tommykey, he must be too old to pay attention to current events if this is true:
How ironic that we are descending into chaos precisely BECAUSE of xianity!
Tell him to find some Huntley&Brinkley reruns to watch, while he’s waiting for the afterlife…
Good one, Stardust!
Myron, in the orient there are ancestors who help you and must be venerated and satisfied. There are several ceremonies and festivals, including the Hungry Ghost. Special facsimile money, goods, and special buns are burned for the spirits to use as the afterlife is said to be pretty much like this one. (Shit. I have enough problems during THIS one. One’s enough, thank you very much.) Anyway, if the ancestors’ spirits ain’t happy: ain’t NOBODY happy, to paraphrase an Americanism. I guess some discarnate carnality seems like a good thing to some folks.
Hey Tommy - yeah, I’m tearing right into the old codger. O’Reilly clones are the worst.
People like him raise my blood pressure, they do. I don’t know any ‘flower children’ - do you?
Star:
Soooo bad, it’s hilarious.
Hey Sarge - yeah, filial piety. Ancestor worship. Usually, I like the Eastern take on most things, but that’s just ludicrous.
There was 1 story, where a child shields his parents from mosquitoes w/his own body, & is subsequently drained of blood. I think it’s late Confucian, but don’t quote me on it. An extreme example, but a telling 1.
This is some seriously sick shit. I can kind of understand the origins of such practices but to think that they are still doing it. There is also the ancient idea of self-sacrifice in the orient. In ancient times some wives would do themselves in so that their husbands would not be alone as a spirit. I echo that thought KA. Much of the eastern philosophical concepts are quite worth reading but this is just wrong. Besides what happens if you pick a bride that your ancestor hates?
I was gonna respond, “I think the term is pedantic nit-picker,” but I changed my mind.
I did just now google the word, and it comes up on several dictionary sites as a synonym for misanthrope.
Ever notice how when it comes to ghost spouses, it’s the woman/wife who needs to be sacrificed but never the man/husband?
Is anyone going around kidnapping and killing young men as ghost grooms for dead single women? No. If the Indian wife died first, was the widower expected to commit sati for her? No.
Once again, the female is the expendable gender, and there are females who buy into it, too. I say we women may need more “manpower” to counter this sort of thing - power as in political, financial, military, and physical influence.
Because no male population lacking women is just going to sit there and let itself die out; they’re going to “buy” or “steal” females from wherever they can get them. It’s been done before (the Benjamite tribe in the Old Testament, probably based on an actual practice; the Romans and the Sabine women); it’s probably taking place right now; and it’ll happen again.
Great; just when I thought I couldn’t freak myself out any more than I already am…
Eve - I did indeed search for ‘ghost grooms’.
None to be found. Anywhere.
Eve, here is an anti-war song from WWI. Maybe things would be better if women had more power(though this song was written by men).
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/4942/
It is well worth reading the links at the bottom of the page too and compare Robert Lafollette’s answer to the war-mongers.
Wait…women aren’t property? My wife keeps taking a $100 “property tax” weekly. She says the government makes her pay this because the Bush administration believes women are property.
On the plus side…she’s not a corpse.
KA, maybe an untapped market is waiting out there; hmmm… *strokes chin with frighteningly pensive expression*
bernarda, a very sad song, written by a man or not. Mind you, I don’t know that if women were to assume power over the world that it would necessarily be better, although the Amazon in me says yes; I do believe that perhaps we would suffer less injustices as a gender if those who would victimize us knew how bad the consequences could be for them. Then again, maybe not (boy, am I in a wishy-washy mood today)…
B80vin, ha!
Eve, you are right. However, I also think more men need to grow up and realize that women ARE equals and should be treated as such. Maybe that would solve some of the problems.
Eve:
Only in a matriarchy.
I truly wonder - like in a Twilight Zone episode - if we were to be judged by another alien race, what the verdict would be?
eve, I have tried to find out who the singer was, but I didn’t find anything definite. It might be Elsie Janis, a star at the time.
http://www.musicals101.com/who5.htm
A good satire on war and capitalism is the Gershwins’ musical “Strike Up the Band”. The original version that is. Later, a terrible film was made of it and today some of its songs are used for patriotic purpose. But the original version is available on CD.
Here is another anti-war song from WWI. Scroll down to “Stay Down Here Where You Belong”.
http://nfo.net/usa/ww1.html
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^ Darn! My ‘puter won’t let me play the songs now for some reason…