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		<title>By: Revenant</title>
		<link>http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/07/31/the-war-prayer/#comment-290616</link>
		<dc:creator>Revenant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Kennedy Assassination:

The first link doesn't really say anything, it's just talking about this other film, but you can't see anything of value in the brief clip. There are some interesting statements, though:

&lt;blockquote&gt; “One of the things we hope for the Nix film is that as technology advances ... hopefully we can find something,” said Jeff West, executive director of the museum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Meaning it doesn't shed any light on the subject by those who've studied it.

And this:

&lt;blockquote&gt; The most well-known frames of the film show Jackie Kennedy climbing over the trunk of the presidential limousine, scrambling to pick up pieces of the president’s shattered skull, and Secret Service agent Clint Hill climbing onto the trunk.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Lol, I've never heard that Jackie was trying to pickup anything, but was trying to get out of the car, plain and simple. Expecially since the skull shattered at the right frontal lobe, not the rear, which indicates a shot form the rear, not the front where the grassy knoll was.

As for the second link. The documentary I referred to actually had Oswald's Marine range cards for 200m targets, I think, and he scored 48 out of 50, 49 out of 50, and 48 out of 50, for all three. That's pretty damn good.

As for hitting a "moving" target. Kennedy was moving away in almost a straight line, which meant the movement would have been a non-issue. Kennedy himself was stationary within the vehicle, so he was not, as the link suggests, moving around and trying to avoid being hit. Also, the bolt would NOT hit one in the face unless you were a left-handed shooter. Even if Oswald did have to move his eye away from the eyepiece of the scope, repeated tests have shown that re-acquiring the target at such a short range isn't difficult, especially when you've got the rifle on a rest.

As for "evidence" of more than three shots, there isn't any. So-called audio evidence has been disproven by multiple video shots of the motorcade as it entered the plaza, and reconstruction of the time lines. The audio analysis of the open mic tape from one of the motorcycle officers was inconclusive at best, and said that the officer would have been at point x when the fourth shot occurred. Video evidence conclusively disproves this putting him at least 100 feet away from the spot the audio analysis said he would have had to be for the sound they heard to have been a gunshot.

The second link also talks about Kennedy's and Connoley's wounds, and how they would had to have been caused by more than one bullet, but no evidence is presented for that. The popular theory, presented by Stone in the film, is that the bullet would have hit kennedy in the back, came out his throat, turned left, then right, then left then right and then hitting Connoley. This is patently false. Connoley  was in a jump seat, which was lower and closer to the passenger side of the car than Kennedy's rear seat, the angle from the shooter's vantage point to hit both men was perfect, especially considering Connoley's postion at the time of that shot. He had heard the first shot and was turning to his right.

So many people make a big deal out of the fact that kennedy's head moved "back and to the left" as the Stone film repeats so often, to prove that he was hit from the front. They've seen too many movies. Bullets hitting a person don't move the body in any significant way. Mythbusters busted that one too. The motion was most likely a muscle spasm from the brain suddenly receiving a huge trauma.

Whether or not the Warren Commission got it perfectly right or not is irrelevant. 40 years of hindsight has shown time and again that Oswald was the only shooter, and that there was nothing at all indicating two or more shooters. The various conspiracy theories are speculation, picking on every little thing, true or not, which supports their view and not reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Kennedy Assassination:</p>
<p>The first link doesn&#8217;t really say anything, it&#8217;s just talking about this other film, but you can&#8217;t see anything of value in the brief clip. There are some interesting statements, though:</p>
<blockquote><p> “One of the things we hope for the Nix film is that as technology advances &#8230; hopefully we can find something,” said Jeff West, executive director of the museum.</p></blockquote>
<p>Meaning it doesn&#8217;t shed any light on the subject by those who&#8217;ve studied it.</p>
<p>And this:</p>
<blockquote><p> The most well-known frames of the film show Jackie Kennedy climbing over the trunk of the presidential limousine, scrambling to pick up pieces of the president’s shattered skull, and Secret Service agent Clint Hill climbing onto the trunk.</p></blockquote>
<p>Lol, I&#8217;ve never heard that Jackie was trying to pickup anything, but was trying to get out of the car, plain and simple. Expecially since the skull shattered at the right frontal lobe, not the rear, which indicates a shot form the rear, not the front where the grassy knoll was.</p>
<p>As for the second link. The documentary I referred to actually had Oswald&#8217;s Marine range cards for 200m targets, I think, and he scored 48 out of 50, 49 out of 50, and 48 out of 50, for all three. That&#8217;s pretty damn good.</p>
<p>As for hitting a &#8220;moving&#8221; target. Kennedy was moving away in almost a straight line, which meant the movement would have been a non-issue. Kennedy himself was stationary within the vehicle, so he was not, as the link suggests, moving around and trying to avoid being hit. Also, the bolt would NOT hit one in the face unless you were a left-handed shooter. Even if Oswald did have to move his eye away from the eyepiece of the scope, repeated tests have shown that re-acquiring the target at such a short range isn&#8217;t difficult, especially when you&#8217;ve got the rifle on a rest.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;evidence&#8221; of more than three shots, there isn&#8217;t any. So-called audio evidence has been disproven by multiple video shots of the motorcade as it entered the plaza, and reconstruction of the time lines. The audio analysis of the open mic tape from one of the motorcycle officers was inconclusive at best, and said that the officer would have been at point x when the fourth shot occurred. Video evidence conclusively disproves this putting him at least 100 feet away from the spot the audio analysis said he would have had to be for the sound they heard to have been a gunshot.</p>
<p>The second link also talks about Kennedy&#8217;s and Connoley&#8217;s wounds, and how they would had to have been caused by more than one bullet, but no evidence is presented for that. The popular theory, presented by Stone in the film, is that the bullet would have hit kennedy in the back, came out his throat, turned left, then right, then left then right and then hitting Connoley. This is patently false. Connoley  was in a jump seat, which was lower and closer to the passenger side of the car than Kennedy&#8217;s rear seat, the angle from the shooter&#8217;s vantage point to hit both men was perfect, especially considering Connoley&#8217;s postion at the time of that shot. He had heard the first shot and was turning to his right.</p>
<p>So many people make a big deal out of the fact that kennedy&#8217;s head moved &#8220;back and to the left&#8221; as the Stone film repeats so often, to prove that he was hit from the front. They&#8217;ve seen too many movies. Bullets hitting a person don&#8217;t move the body in any significant way. Mythbusters busted that one too. The motion was most likely a muscle spasm from the brain suddenly receiving a huge trauma.</p>
<p>Whether or not the Warren Commission got it perfectly right or not is irrelevant. 40 years of hindsight has shown time and again that Oswald was the only shooter, and that there was nothing at all indicating two or more shooters. The various conspiracy theories are speculation, picking on every little thing, true or not, which supports their view and not reality.</p>
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		<title>By: bernarda</title>
		<link>http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/07/31/the-war-prayer/#comment-290520</link>
		<dc:creator>bernarda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 08:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some other looks at the "closed" Kennedy assassination case.

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/orvillenixfilm.htm

Was Oswald a good marksman?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/PG/PGchp9.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some other looks at the &#8220;closed&#8221; Kennedy assassination case.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/orvillenixfilm.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/orvillenixfilm.htm</a></p>
<p>Was Oswald a good marksman?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/PG/PGchp9.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/PG/PGchp9.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 05:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Mythbusters did an account of the JFK assassination as well. They too proved it could be done with one bullett. That doesn't mean that there was not a conspiracy but in this year (2007) we need not worry about it. It is over.

ChuckA
The stooges were pretty great, but I am one who can show proof due to scars that when hit with a shovel that it does not go "BOINK" LOL

So far as the bridge disaster goes I have to say that this happens on a regular basis. Some event that is unavoidable comes along. Sometimes it is only 3-4 people and other times it is 500 people. The scale seems to be when and how it is reported. To those who are involved it doesn't matter if others are involved or not. It is a highly personal matter and needs to be dealt with in that regard. More people died in their beds last night, does that mean that beds are dangerous?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Mythbusters did an account of the JFK assassination as well. They too proved it could be done with one bullett. That doesn&#8217;t mean that there was not a conspiracy but in this year (2007) we need not worry about it. It is over.</p>
<p>ChuckA<br />
The stooges were pretty great, but I am one who can show proof due to scars that when hit with a shovel that it does not go &#8220;BOINK&#8221; LOL</p>
<p>So far as the bridge disaster goes I have to say that this happens on a regular basis. Some event that is unavoidable comes along. Sometimes it is only 3-4 people and other times it is 500 people. The scale seems to be when and how it is reported. To those who are involved it doesn&#8217;t matter if others are involved or not. It is a highly personal matter and needs to be dealt with in that regard. More people died in their beds last night, does that mean that beds are dangerous?</p>
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		<title>By: Revenant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revenant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 03:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the problem is that none of Kennedy's wounds were consistent with a shot from the front where the grassy knoll would be. There was no magic bullet.

There's a recent documentary narrated by Peter Jennings which uses 3d graphics and trajectory maps to show that everything points to a shooter from the 6th floor school book depositor window where the casings were found. 

And the movie JFK by Oliver Stone pretty much lies about everything. Oswald was an excellent shot, scoring almost as high as one could in the Marines. And the three shots were fired over 8 seconds, not 6, a very do-able thing with a bolt action rifle by an experienced marksman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the problem is that none of Kennedy&#8217;s wounds were consistent with a shot from the front where the grassy knoll would be. There was no magic bullet.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a recent documentary narrated by Peter Jennings which uses 3d graphics and trajectory maps to show that everything points to a shooter from the 6th floor school book depositor window where the casings were found. </p>
<p>And the movie JFK by Oliver Stone pretty much lies about everything. Oswald was an excellent shot, scoring almost as high as one could in the Marines. And the three shots were fired over 8 seconds, not 6, a very do-able thing with a bolt action rifle by an experienced marksman.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahem, Revenant, that issue will be unresolved for a while yet.  It seems E.Howard Hunt tried to insert himself back into that mess; his son identifies him as one of the three "tramps" being escorted away.  Another tramp is purported to be another CIA tool.

And so it goes - on and on and on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem, Revenant, that issue will be unresolved for a while yet.  It seems E.Howard Hunt tried to insert himself back into that mess; his son identifies him as one of the three &#8220;tramps&#8221; being escorted away.  Another tramp is purported to be another CIA tool.</p>
<p>And so it goes - on and on and on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Revenant</title>
		<link>http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/07/31/the-war-prayer/#comment-290272</link>
		<dc:creator>Revenant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He's a bit of a conspiracy theorist, still thinks Oswald didn't act alone, when it's been absolutely proven he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a bit of a conspiracy theorist, still thinks Oswald didn&#8217;t act alone, when it&#8217;s been absolutely proven he did.</p>
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		<title>By: bernarda</title>
		<link>http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/07/31/the-war-prayer/#comment-290255</link>
		<dc:creator>bernarda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev, because of your post I decided to look up Jesse "The Body" on youtube. Here is one or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kVbbTGSt6E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whWx0XLVBEw&#38;mode=related&#38;search=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev, because of your post I decided to look up Jesse &#8220;The Body&#8221; on youtube. Here is one or two.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kVbbTGSt6E" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kVbbTGSt6E</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whWx0XLVBEw&amp;mode=related&amp;search=" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whWx0XLVBEw&amp;mode=related&amp;search=</a></p>
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		<title>By: Revenant</title>
		<link>http://gods4suckers.net/archives/2007/07/31/the-war-prayer/#comment-290213</link>
		<dc:creator>Revenant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Chuck, I gained a good deal of respect for Jesse when he caught flak (FLugzeugAbwehrKanone) for saying religion was for the weak-minded. I don't know how he was as a governer otherwise, but it's obvious the people of Minnesota were just voting for a wrestler because they're mostly morons. They obviously didn't know the real Jesse Ventura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Chuck, I gained a good deal of respect for Jesse when he caught flak (FLugzeugAbwehrKanone) for saying religion was for the weak-minded. I don&#8217;t know how he was as a governer otherwise, but it&#8217;s obvious the people of Minnesota were just voting for a wrestler because they&#8217;re mostly morons. They obviously didn&#8217;t know the real Jesse Ventura.</p>
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