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by: God is for Suckers! - Commentary, news, and rants on the evils and stupidity of belief in the big invisible daddy in the sky. Illuminating and watchdogging the widespread attempts to institutionalize the theocratic rule of the US. Making fun of believers

Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:49:11 +0000

[…] Framing is dead By The Uncredible Hallq Those of you here who are fans of Pharyngula(or read this post and GifS) will know about the “framing” controversy that has played out in a number of places, mainly ScienceBlogs.com, over the past year. “Framing” is an idea that has been promoted by communications prof Matt Nisbet, with journalist (and The Republican War on Science author) Chris Mooney providing significant support. What the idea actually entails remains unclear to this day–it’s proponents have vacillated from “keep in mind who your audience is when dealing with science controversies” to “don’t bother talking about reason and evidence” and “critics of religion really need to shut up.” […]

by: Neil

Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:32:14 +0000

“Beyond the occasional personable Nobel Laureate, there really is no spokesperson for science. Who knows, maybe there ought to be.”

Just one sentence too many. To borrow from Abbie Hoffman, we don’t need leaders. We need cheerleaders. While I don’t claim to speak FOR science myself, I do occasionally speak UP for science.

by: democommie

Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:45:43 +0000

And I’ll bet not even one of the faithfucked ever questioned the legitimacy of the genetically engineered popcorn they were munching on.

by: Eve

Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:32:28 +0000

Thanks, Raindog! I’ve been following the continuing saga of Expelled vs. PZ over at Pharyngula; it’s been freakin’ hilarious.

Witnesses report that the expression on the movie producer’s face when he announced the Q&A after the film and none other than Dawkins stood up to ask him a question was indescribable; he most definitely hadn’t known that he’d expelled the fox while letting in the wolf!

by: Chaoswes

Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:58:21 +0000

Nisbet and his sycophant clone Mooney are always far more concerned about who expresses their opinion and how then what the opinion is. Rarely do we see them actually discussing an issue. They rant and rave about framing the issue and how they would have done it a different way and their way is better. How ironic that Stardust posted an article on narcissism just after RDZ posted this little ditty on these two narcissists. How arrogant do they need to be? The only message these clowns are capable of expressing is that they would always do it better. They would frame it better. They wouldn’t piss people off. ETC. ETC. ETC. In reality they think that they are the only ones that can properly handle the situation.

by: Stardust

Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:39:16 +0000

This movie is going to be like Passion of the Christ where it will only be shown in fundie churches and unfortuately for the kids, in private fundie schools.

Travdawg, I was just over there reading some of the comments.

by: Travdawg

Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:46:49 +0000

If you read Steins introductory blog on the Expelled website, you will notice the thousands of comments just asshatting him, it’s great!

by: Raindogzilla

Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:07:00 +0000

The movie has already been scathingly reviewed by many, including PZ’s daughter, Skatje. It is(crap) what it is(crap). Their whole case is akin to me approaching my kids’ math teacher, announcing that there is mounting evidence- beyond simply my humble belief, that 2 + 2 = 5, not 4, refusing to supply any evidence for my claim that actually involves, gasp, numbers and/or equations, and then getting all indignant and walking off in a huff to begin legal proceedings. Nothing more.

The problem here is Nisbet- and his ilk, first disputing that a greater understanding of science does tend to decrease one’s reliance on fairy tale ideologies and, then, chastising those of us who, having cleared our minds of such Bronze Age claptrap, refuse to bow to the traditional king- who’s been revealed to be no more than a fat, greasy, toad of a man, cowering behind a curtain and pulling the switches.

It’s like people who are so obsessed with the positioning of certain pieces of silverware in a table setting, they miss the fact that the meat on the table has long since passed it’s sell by date. I think they call them “nitpickers”- which is not to say that PZ, or Richard Dawkins, or any of us is teeming with lice…