And now from the other side. . .
2 July 2008 by Stardust
” . . .conservative Christians are motivated more out of opposition to Obama than enthusiasm for McCain.”
Conservative evangelicals discuss backing McCain
Umm, is this any big surprise? 
Conservative evangelical leaders met privately this week to discuss putting aside their misgivings about John McCain and coalescing around the Republican’s presidential bid while urging him to consider social conservative favorite Mike Huckabee as a running mate.
Gawd help us all!
And here we go with the “True Xian” crapola again.
Many evangelical leaders backed other GOP candidates early on and remain wary of McCain’s commitment to their causes and his previous criticisms of movement leaders. But with the presidential field now set, many evangelical leaders are taking a more pragmatic view, realizing also that the Democratic candidate, Barack Obama, is making a strong play for evangelical voters and talking freely about his faith.
“Our shared core values compel us to unite and choose the presidential candidate that best advances those values,” said Staver, who previously backed Huckabee’s bid. “That obvious choice is Sen. John McCain. I think people left the meeting in unity the likes of which have not been evident through the primaries.”
The group also agreed to sign a letter urging the McCain campaign to consider Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor and Southern Baptist minister, as his vice presidential choice, said another participant, Phil Burress. Burress, who heads an Ohio group that helped pass an anti-gay marriage measure in that state in 2004, was among a group of conservative Christian leaders who met with McCain last week.
*snip*
“The only evangelicals that will support Obama are the ones who haven’t read their Bible,” Burress said. “The more and more we learn about Obama, the closer and closer we get to McCain.”
Fuck the religious right and their Bible bullcrap, Jeebus, Gawd, Gawdesses, pink unicorns and fantasy land baloney and let’s get to the real issues of this election and put religion back in the mythology temples.
2 July 2008, on 11:05 pm
Oh and, fuck Huck!
3 July 2008, on 12:13 am
I just finished reading the last post and comments, and now this…great…
As much as I disagree with some of your political opinions, Stardust, all I can say is keep up the good work….
3 July 2008, on 12:27 am
So this election has absolutely nothing to do with voting for the best candidate, but voting against the one you don’t like.
Great. As if the political system isn’t broken enough.
I wonder if Burress would recognize quotes from the Bible if he heard them though. A lot of Christians like to say “that’s not in the Bible” whenever someone brings up things like, say, stoning unruly children. If you’ve ever listened to/watched the Atheist Experience (http://www.atheistexperience.com) you’ll have heard a LOT of these people call in only to be schooled by the hosts.
3 July 2008, on 2:18 am
Obama ‘08 = best candidate
3 July 2008, on 7:48 am
I told my fundie aunt a few years ago that Dubya was going to run the country into the ground just like the businesses he ran into the ground that his Daddy’s friends gave him. I told her then that economy would take a nose dive and gasoline prices would soar. I didn’t want to be right about it.
How can anyone vote for a continuation of the Bush Fuckupery?
Blind devotion, that’s how. I guess that is why I go off when I see even the slightest continuation of anything this doofus has started.
As much as I disagree with some of your political opinions, Stardust, all I can say is keep up the good work….
Neil, thanks for the compliment…I keep things going, don’t I?
I try, anyway. Even though some issues I bring up are “thorny” they NEED to be discussed. I have a lot of thinking to do, as do many other undecideds and disillusioned.
3 July 2008, on 8:08 am
I guess I am part of the “mushy middle”…
The ‘mushy middle’ hard to reach for Obama, McCain
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3 July 2008, on 8:33 am
I was saying to my husband just yesterday that it doesn’t matter how obvious the choice or how deeply fucked the country is all you have to do is dangle a few ‘dog whistle’ terms at the sheeple and they will vote against their own best interests every time.
I highly doubt anything will change until the television stops working.
On a different note I expect James Braid would be dizzy with glee if he were alive today. Imagine a box that can create mass hypnosis on a global scale and practically everyone has one! Very impressive indeed.
3 July 2008, on 8:41 am
After the FISA bill fallout taking that new car smell off the Obama campaign, I’m back to voting to the lesser of two evils. Or maybe I’ll just vote for pure evil and write in Cthulhu.
3 July 2008, on 9:26 am
Stardust,
I am amused at the lapdog press. Apparently voters who remain skeptical of the thieves, liars and criminals posing as leaders are “mushy” thinkers. I guess they should stop ‘thinking’ and vote reslug as they’re told. Hey there’s a good slogan, “Stop thinking - vote mcstain… he does what he’s told too.”
3 July 2008, on 9:34 am
The fundie right is about 20% of the electorate.
Same with the left and the independents.
The 50% of the people who do not vote are the ones who should decide this election.
Do they not vote because it does not matter?
Or they do not care because it does not matter?
The 50% see two bad candidates and do not vote because there is no choice.
By not voting they let the minorities set the agenda.
If Obama won 33% to 31% and the rest of us voted for someone/anyone else, we would effectively be the majority. Someone would run that would represent us in 2012.
3 July 2008, on 9:43 am
I highly doubt anything will change until the television stops working.
True. I hate television and rarely watch it. I definitely do not like “newsertainment.”
Apparently voters who remain skeptical of the thieves, liars and criminals posing as leaders are “mushy” thinkers
I resent being labeled “mushy” because I do not like either candidate. I also disagree with the point made that most people in the middle are “uneducated” because they do not possess blind loyalty to a specific party. I and most undecideds and people who do not like either candidate who I know have a college degree of at least a Bacherlor’s Degree or higher (I have a Masters.) How about we generalize and say that most people who vote Republican are redneck, school drop outs who are waiting for the rapture? (I hate the media.)
3 July 2008, on 10:12 am
It’s more like 25, 25, and 50, OOC. But I get your point. Unfortunately, that 50% includes most of the subscribers to People and Us magazines, the ones who’ve mastered TiVo enough to record Entertainment Tonight and TMZ, the ones who’s eyes flit around from shiny object to shiny object- “Vote? Yes, yes, tremendously important, that. Ooh, ooh, oddly hot blonde teen missing in Branson, Yakov Smirnoff a person of interest. America has talent! Vote, vote, vote, vote David Archuleta!”
Phil Burress is my personal, local douchebag, who’s primary purpose in life seems to be ridding motels of on demand porn, all the while, one suspects he keeps a Gimp Mask and suit in his closet and takes it from a strap-on via his wife.
OLoPM, the ones of us who are actually paying attention are in those 25% on either side. That soft middle isn’t filled with those disgusted by the process but rather those who don’t know there is a process to be disgusted with. Mushy? More like Swiss Cheese.
OOC, the 50% see jackshit. They just can’t be bothered. Their disinterest isn’t some grand political statement but a combination of ignorance, apathy, and complacency.
Hmm…
One candidate wants
to help the poor
to include the left out
to clothe the naked
to feed the hungry
to respect the things that make us different and
to throw the moneychangers out of the temple- so to speak.
While the other wants
to continue the Bush assault on the Constitution
to give aid to those who already have more than they know what to do with
to turn War into a business opportunity
and to make America into a third world nation by way of
fouling our font of scientific knowledge with
hobgoblins and The Flintstones.
It would seem that Christians would have a real clear cut favorite, wouldn’t it?
But that’s only if Phil Burress and his ilk actually read their buybulls.
3 July 2008, on 10:53 am
the ones of us who are actually paying attention are in those 25% on either side.
Not necessarily. I have some really dumbass relatives who are devoutly Republican for the reason that they think the Republicans have a direct hotline to gawd, and I have some even more stupid family members who don’t know anything about the issues being debated and are staunchly Democrat and don’t really know why. So, we cannot say that all of the 25% on either side are paying attention to anything that really matters.
There are many of those in the middle who are paying much more attention that many of those 25% committed on either side.
3 July 2008, on 11:54 am
Living as I do in one of the few states that only allow a voter to choose between the D or R candidate (no write-ins allowed), I can only vote “for” the “lesser of two evils”, or not at all.
I’m not impressed by a candidate that embraces Israel and it’s policies “unconditionally, screws the privacy of individuals with FISA, violates church and state separation with faith based initiatives, would have voted for the war in Iraq, is not very opposed to war with Iran, (but wait! there’s more “change” coming!)…
However, I’m even less impressed with another openly right wing fascist ignoramus (really, If you have to turn to your aides to ask what your position is on a subject, you shouldn’t even be running) being allowed to occupy the position of president.
I’m not voting “for” big O, I’m voting against Mc-bush. The only other option I have is not to vote, and that truly would be throwing away my vote.
3 July 2008, on 11:56 am
You guys are being way too generous. Using Sturgeon’s Law, only 10% of the American public knows WTF is going on. And I think even that’s generous. It’s more like 2%.
But what do I know? I’m a misanthrope.
3 July 2008, on 1:01 pm
Hmmm….I think that while most of that 50% are probably, as raindog thinks, the television entralled masses who can be swayed by the right soundbite, it does also include a lot of uncommitted skeptics. We may not be the majority of anything, but there are possibly millions of us and yet nobody courts our vote for fear of losing others.
Also, it is obvious to me, as it is to Stardust, that both parties have their blind loyalists. But it’s a trend that, at least here in California and in national elections, I see MUCH more of on the right than on the left. I’ve met a few hippie college students, a few teachers, and a few union members who would likely vote democrat no matter what. But I see that trend to blind loyalty ALL OVER the republican party. It’s just the nature of the extreme jingoism that they love and support. For many millions, it’s the “god” meme. Republicans have somehow claimed god as their own private totem, and we all know how well that one works on morons. When the Dems go too heavy on god, they start alienating part of their base-you know, us godless liberals, as well as the tolerant, thinking christians who prefer substance and debate to mindless slogan chanting. The republicans have also done a good job of blurring the meanings of “freedom” and “liberty.” They always use those words, and many of their voters refuse to realize that they are usually talking about corporate freedom, not personal liberty or opportunity. Of course, many christians and social conservatives do realize this, and are simply willing to sell out the freedoms of dissenters, protesters, minority religions, pot smokers, gays, and pregnant women in return for a false sense of security and ready access to cheez whiz. Hell, starting unprovoked oil wars is now seen by many as being “serious about national security!” My Grandparent’s generation wasn’t even close to being so reactionary!
Again, I see blind loyalty in both parties, but the repubs have damn near made a new religion of it, with a gun-toting, fag-hating supply-side Jesus at it’s core. And they’ve been so successful at promoting blind, scared, hateful ignorance, that the left has had to move to the center, while rebups have almost achieved the staus of “default party.” Look how much Bush bullshit it took just to regain a slight majority in congress, and how easy it is for the repubs to whip up a media shitstorm the minute any of the dems try to actually use that power!
If the race so far is any real indication, I’m coming to the same shitty conclusion that I did in the last post:
Things may have to get a whole lot worse before the majority of voters will be hurting badly enough to bother pulling their heads out of their asses. It reminds me of the first time I read 1984 in high school. People somehow regard that book as pure fiction, when a good look around will show any careful observer that we’re over halfway there already.
3 July 2008, on 1:49 pm
You certainly do a “Yeo(wo)mans” job, Stardust!
Yeah…Yoa!…woman!….
“Harr!”
So it’s back to the same old bullshit about fuckhead Religion and the usual Cosmologically delusional idiots…with their Bronze-age indoctrinated brains up their asses. They haven’t got one iota of critical thinking capacity amongst the whole bunch…COMBINED! In spite of the Economy, and other secular issues, their stupid, tyrannical-based agenda against a woman’s right to choose and hatred of homosexuality remain consistently paramount to their voting choice.
Not withstanding the obvious fucked up Economic situation and the Iraq War; I keep harping on the same theme that has persisted since WAY before even Dubya’s (The 2001 “Pet Goat” reader) election tyranny of 2000…
“It’s the Supreme Court, stupid!”
The Separation of Church and State is, I think, in mortal danger of serious…even catastrophic…erosion.
We all know that both candidates are kissing ass RE the rationally retarded (challenged?); the question is…who’s DEFINITELY going to appoint more Right Wing assholes to the Supreme Quart.
What!…(Ex-)Drunken minds wanna know? Personally, I don’t drink ANY Kool-Aid these days!
If Scolia is any example…where is there, really, an encouraging sign of ANY truly Rational, critical thinking ability amongst the whole lot of lifetime appointed SCOTUS Judges? They may have studied a lot of Law…but what of Science, Logic, and unbiased, evidence-based, rational thinking…even, for that matter…history, philosophy and mythology? I say mythology; ’cause that’s the REAL basis of all their religious delusions.
I’ve been evolving ever closer to Todd’s, commented on, misanthropic theme; and certainly, at my age, I’m closer than most of you to leaving this insane asylum called Earth…not that there is, or ever was, anything equal in life…in regards to ANYTHING one can enumerate.
Y’all make a lot of great points, as is the usual here on GifS. Too bad almost nobody in the media, or in general, really pays much attention to us totally non-religious, secular heathens.
I just flashed on Bill Maher’s October “Religilous” ’surprise’. Will it get much, if any, general notice? Somehow, I think…at least before the election…the media will try their best to ignore it. I hope I’m wrong!
Lastly, I think if Fuckabee, indeed, DOES become McPain’s V.P. pick; we may be in for another totally unsurprising, irrational, mindboggling loss for the Dems in November. After 2004’s totally depressing outcome, I don’t know if I’ll survive another wave of that kind of depression.
Hmmm…
Now where did I hide that old German,WWII, Cyanide capsule?
[I'm kidding!...?]
3 July 2008, on 2:02 pm
Good thing Obama made such a strong play to suck up to the religious extremists. Looks like it really worked for him.
3 July 2008, on 2:41 pm
Sad But True:
Some of us vote with our emotions even if we know better, have read, and possess some sort of a tiny clue as to what is going on around us…it is damn hard to be rational when you live in what constitutes a “Six Flags Over Jesus” territory that obligates adult women seeking control of their bodies to undergo forced “counseling” by the state of Six Flags Over Jesus before terminating a pregnancy…I know it is wrong to let brute emotion overtake serious thought…I should be and am capable of being rational but, but, but….these darn emotions!!!! I wish I could take a rational pill and be done with the emotional voting of which I am guilty…. and the meds only work if you take them….LOL…Great posts, guys!
3 July 2008, on 4:22 pm
Crap, I’m always too busy at work to post anything good on here…
but I will say this, I would do Jenna Bush! :::ok, back to work:::
4 July 2008, on 12:07 am
“…I would do Jenna Bush!”
and there goes my appetite for tomorrow’s steaks…
4 July 2008, on 9:14 pm
McCain is already lapsing into senility, and he didn’t have that much going for him to be begin with. (I’m entitled to say that, I’m older than he.)
4 July 2008, on 10:45 pm
“The only evangelicals that will support Obama are the ones who haven’t read their Bible,” Burress said. “The more and more we learn about Obama, the closer and closer we get to McCain.”
Which, to me, is one more strike against McBush.
As for Fuckabee as a running mate–that’s damned scary, as McBush looks like he’s (hardly) remaining animated on the power of evil alone. One heartbeat away from “Theocracy Mike”–*shudders uncontrollably*