The Night Jesus Met Santa Claus
5 December 2008 by StardustWe atheists could not have written this to be any funnier. This is supposed to be a serious Christian video/song to show how Santa, after climbing down a chimney finds another bearded figure standing before him who is dressed in robes and the glowing man introduces himself as Jesus. Santa is witnessed to by Jesus and is forgiven of his imaginary sins and then imaginary Santa bows to worship imaginary Jesus. Then Santa tells Jesus that he believes in him, and then is told by his new imaginary friend, Jesus to fill his bag with Bibles instead of toys and give them to all the little kids around the world now that he is “saved”.
Here’s the link: The Night Jesus Met Santa Claus
5 December 2008, on 2:33 pm
That was a bit disturbing. Imagine the devastated little children waking up to find just a single gift- a bible- under the tree. Man, I know I’d be pissed.
Also, I just saw this article today- http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/12/05/atheists.christmas/index.html?eref=rss_topstories (I wanted to email it but for some reason the “Contact us” button isn’t working for me.) I love the note they’re attaching- Thou shalt not steal.
5 December 2008, on 2:53 pm
Ugh! That was painful! Pssssst ! Jeebus! Santa already lives forever.
I’d say more, but I’ve acquired a virus that fucks with my keystrokes, making words jumbled, if I dont’ check every damn letter! Help!:(
5 December 2008, on 3:14 pm
Pssssst ! Jeebus! Santa already lives forever.
Yep…guess those Xians just don’t have the full understanding of Santa Claus. He can make himself invisible, he watches little kids all over the world at one time.
Karen, I have no idea how to help your problem except to say to run a virus program and see if you can clean it out of there.
5 December 2008, on 3:42 pm
Star
Already did. Says it can’t be completely removed!AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH !
5 December 2008, on 3:50 pm
Star
Already did. Says it can’t be completely removed!AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH !
This is what the above looks like if I don’t check every letter:
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5 December 2008, on 3:56 pm
Uck… I’ll admit that I only got about 2 minutes into the video and had to shut it off. Every time I swear that country music can’t get any worse, I always hear something that sets the bar a little lower.
By the way, which idiot sings this awful song? I’d like to know who else to add to my Christmas wish list of people who I’d like to see killed!
5 December 2008, on 5:24 pm
Isn’t Santa Claus supposed to be Saint Nicklaus, a saint of the Christian religion? If you put the brains of these religious nutters into birds, the birds would fly backwards. Hell, if I ever need a brain transplant, I want the brain of a religious nutter, because that way I’ll know it wasn’t previously used.
5 December 2008, on 5:50 pm
Can’t they just leave it alone? Why do they have to insinuate themselves into everything. Don’t they know that Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is treatable.?
And that sure sounds an awful lot like Merle Haggard. But I hope not.
5 December 2008, on 5:54 pm
We all haven’t heard of this singer Ricky Traywick because he records a lot of Chrissss-chen music and is the older brother of Randy Travis (who changed his name).
5 December 2008, on 6:01 pm
DBK: Isn’t Santa Claus supposed to be Saint Nicklaus, a saint of the Christian religion?
Well, trouble is, he’s a Catholic saint, and as the Protestant evangelical fundies love to tell us over and over again (except during Crackergate (TM)), Catholics are No True Christians (TM). They must convert to True Christianity (TM) or go to hell with the rest of us troublemaking godless heathens.
Karen, I feel your pain; I’m afraid your computer needs more advanced techmed, stat!
Star, really; must you try to ruin our joyful Winter Solstice spirits with posts like these?
5 December 2008, on 6:04 pm
Star, really; must you try to ruin our joyful Winter Solstice spirits with posts like these?
But don’t you like my little find for all of you to enjoy making fun of?
And this one isn’t as bad as the song about the little boy who wanted to buy his dying Mama some red shoes so she could look nice when she meets Jesus.
5 December 2008, on 8:26 pm
Good lord! Two nonexistent, but famous, guys, both central to the same religion, haven’t previously heard of each other? I thought they both knew everything.
Imagine the poor kids expecting a new bike or whatever kids get for Xmas these days waking up to find Santa has left them nothing but a goddamn bible. I oppose censorship, but if there is any book so obscene that kiddies shouldn’t read it, it’s the bible.
5 December 2008, on 9:47 pm
That. Is. Simply. Aweful.
6 December 2008, on 1:15 am
Jeebus Cripes!!!…that audio suppository is way the fuck too long, for one thing; and if I could even stand to get past about 3 minutes, the lyrics are just ‘BEGGING’ for a brutally mocking…and totally blasphemous…infidel re-write!
Thinking back to my childhood; what could conceivably be worse than getting a Buybull for Xmas…and told that Santa left it! Even a tie or…
a recycled fruitcake…piece of coal?…would elicit SOME kind of gratitude.
[Actually I like fruitcake!]
Scene:
[A very "bright" and precocious little doubting kid, shaking the buybull, and yelling at his Mom, when told that YouTube BS]:
“THIS, your telling me, is what I get for Xmas from that phony sleigh riding asshole, Santa?…
Fuck Santa…and Fuck Jeebus, too!…Their both stupid assholes….and I don’t believe in either of them…especially now!”
Yeah…a born atheist, no doubt.
Also, I couldn’t help remembering an intentionally silly lyric I wrote back in 1969 for a pseudo country tune called…
...I've lived long enough to reap a kind of strange Karma for that little never recorded shit kicker!]
“Ah cain’t get the yeller off ma teeth!”…
[Sorry to say...I'm joking, of course
6 December 2008, on 3:05 am
“Yep…guess those Xians just don’t have the full understanding of Santa Claus. He can make himself invisible, he watches little kids all over the world at one time.”
And don’t forget - he can turn himself black too!
6 December 2008, on 8:01 am
Santa Claus is also Jebus himself. “Kris Kringle”, if I remember correctly, is a slightly mangled form of “Krist kindel”, or Christ Child, who brought presents to kids on Christmas in some Old-World traditions.
But there’s no way to get these folks to understand anything that subtle.
6 December 2008, on 10:38 am
The summary of the vid is all I’m willing to endure.
As for the atheist sign I read the article and once again cnn with it’s crap reporting does a wunnerful job of making a simple statement of fact an US v THEM scenario.
It’s not an ‘attack on xianity’. It’s a statement AGAINST religion. Xians are already easy enough to offend with this ridiculous “merry xmas” vs “happy holidays” bullshit. Do they really think they need to do ANYTHING to make them more annoyed? [as if they weren't already in a perpetual state of annoyance]
KAREN,
Here are a few steps that may help you get rid of that virus.
1. boot to safe mode
2. Check your start up folder and msconfig for any strange items that start at boot. uncheck them.
3. If you aren’t sure what is what, uncheck everything under startup.
Restart in regular mode.
Did that help?
Now go here and download Malwarebytes. It’s free and it’s quite a good scanner.
http://www.download.com/Malwarebytes-Anti-Malware/3000-8022_4-10804572.html?part=dl-10804572&subj=dl&tag=button
After you have completed a scan with that go to Windows Onecare Live and do a complete scan:
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
Be sure to allow the program to be installed, you may have to temporarily allow popups on that page.
Does the scan you’ve used give you a name or designation of the file it can’t remove? Is there a name for the virus? If so do a search for it. Symantec has an excellent library of info on viruses and also how to manually remove them if it is possible.
Hope this helps a little.
Cheers.
6 December 2008, on 10:40 am
So sorry I forgot to add that when or if you think you’ve got things back under control you will want to go back into your MSCONFIG and recheck your startup items.
Also if you’re not sure what items are OK and what are not just do a google search on each individual item in the list and you will find info on them.
6 December 2008, on 12:56 pm
Thanks OLoPM. Will try what you said.
6 December 2008, on 3:08 pm
Jesus has to rely on Santa to do his job for him?
The Christian God is awfully fucking lazy.
6 December 2008, on 9:03 pm
Besides we’ve already seen what happens when jebus meets santa. One of the very first south park cartoons was based on that premise. They kick the crap out of each other. Hilarity ensues.
7 December 2008, on 12:01 am
Maybe that singer should go to Malaysia and try his luck.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/karaoke-killing/?hp
Maybe it is just me. But I found it hard to not laugh at that.
Karen
I too have become a ONECARE advocate. It cleaned up my old machine pretty well. First month is free if I remember correctly.
8 December 2008, on 7:04 pm
WOW… all this turmoil over a children’s book. Do you guys do the same crap with Dr.Seuss?
Grow up, worry about adult issues and maybe give the guy a break for trying to bring more religion to kids…. those kids that wake up pissed about the presents they get obviously do not have parents that explain to them what the true meaning of Christmas is and only use it as a commercialized holiday……..
8 December 2008, on 7:18 pm
Kristy Scott,
There is no turmoil Kristy Scott. We are merely making mockery of the video and illustrating how stupid it is. It would be equally stupid if people showed Dr Seuss characters meeting Jesus and we would equally make fun of it.
This is an adult issue, Kristy, because kids grow up to be adults who stop believing in imaginary Santa but still cling to imaginary Jesus and go to wars and take thousands and thousands of innocent lives because they think Jesus or some other imaginary friend told them to. The last things kids need is more religion. It’s confusing to them about what is real and what is not real. Kids are told that Santa Claus is real and lives forever. Later they are told he is not real. However, they aret told to keep believing Jesus is real or they will burn in hell for all eternity when they are dead.
The true meaning of Christmas Kristy is that pagan celebrations of the winter solstice were stolen from the Druids, etc. and they reinvented their own special magical day with their magical stories about a half man, half god being born of a virgin coming to save the world of some imaginary sins. And the majority, if not most of those people who help bring profits to corporate America with greedy materialism are Christians since most atheists and those of other faiths do not partake of your holiday gift frenzy rituals. (Even the guy singing the song for the videobook is making a buck off you.)
Your Bible even tells about this which Bob pointed out here:
You shouldn’t even be celebrating Christmas at all, Kristy or you might go to hell.
8 December 2008, on 7:46 pm
Kristy Scott: maybe give the guy a break for trying to bring more religion to kids…. those kids that wake up pissed about the presents they get obviously do not have parents that explain to them what the true meaning of Christmas is and only use it as a commercialized holiday……..
Bullshit; even kids in religious households often wake up pissed about the presents they get. Many versions of Christianity actually emphasize materialism (prosperity theology, Calvinism, etc.) because prosperity (and every definition I’ve seen, including the Christian ones, are clear that this is material prosperity) is a sign of doG’s favor.
I can’t count how many Christian kids I’ve known in my life who prayed really hard for a specific gift because their parents told them that if they did so and “really, truly believed with all their heart” that doG would answer their prayer, they would get it. When they did get it, they were told a lie: “doG answered your prayer; you must have really, truly believed!” (the parents gave it to them) - and if they didn’t get it, they were also told lies, such as “you must not have prayed or believed hard enough,” or “doG gave it to a child who needed it more than you.” When the kid remains devastated, they get fed the ol’ standby of “well, the real reason for the season isn’t presents anyway.”
There’s absolutely no reason why atheist parents can’t bring up non-materialistic children who value the holiday for more than just gifts, and not for the latest superstitious overlay; religious parents are just as likely to bring up spoiled, selfish, greedy brats as any other type of parents.
8 December 2008, on 9:45 pm
religious parents are just as likely to bring up spoiled, selfish, greedy brats as any other type of parents.
And I have many examples I could provide for evidence to back up that statement. And we see the evidence day after day in check-out lines of stores everywhere. Christian kids bawling and throwing hissy fits because Momma won’t buy them the latest thing, then Momma giving in because she wants to shut the kid up because Jesus teachings just didn’t work to raise a non-materialist kid.
You are right, Eve. Most evangelicals way of thinking is that materialistic goods are “blessings” and the more they ask, the more they receive. And when they get to Heaven they will have even more materialistic riches…streets paved with gold, no one wanting for anything while so many live and die in poverty here on Earth. Evangelicals feel entitled for simply believing in some version of the Christian myth.
9 December 2008, on 8:23 pm
^ And then there are the Calvinist kind of evangelicals, Star, the ones who believe they have been chosen by doG to be part of the Elect, the only human beings to be saved at all. Why anyone would choose to believe in a deity that will only preserve a tiny fraction of an entire species otherwise going to burn in horrible, unimaginable torture forever and ever is beyond me.
9 December 2008, on 10:56 pm
. Why anyone would choose to believe in a deity that will only preserve a tiny fraction of an entire species otherwise going to burn in horrible, unimaginable torture forever and ever is beyond me.
And what is mind boggling and disgusting at the same time is how Narcissistic these folks are who believe they are the special adored pet of an imagined almighty and ultimate Sky Boss of the universe. That they would be singled out to be saved and treasured while billions of souls were sent to flaming pits.
9 December 2008, on 10:57 pm
I hope Kristy Scott has been reading our site. Usually if Xians are sniffing around atheist sites, they are interested and questioning.
10 December 2008, on 9:36 am
Stardust:
I am not getting suckered into ruining some of my few remaining brain cells watching that tripe. That excerpt of the lyrics shows me what I always see in that sort of KKKristian KKKrap. They can’t figure out meter, rhythm or line length to save their asses, never mind their “immortal immaterial souls”.
I’ve got an idea for a nice C&W (Chrsitian and White) song for those folks:
“Grandma got run over by a reindeer, driven by Shiva the Destroyer”
or, maybe we could revamp that line from “It’s A Wonderful Life” to;
“Every time you hear a bell ring, it means that some angel’s just got his wings ripped off. ”
Howsabout dueling theologies for Christmas, Alex, for $2,000?
I am, obviously, unwell; that’s what I like about myself.
10 December 2008, on 12:03 pm
I understand democommie. And no need to watch it anyway because you get the gist just by looking at the image of the YouTube and reading my little summary.
I like all of your ideas. Maybe we should all start a GifS greeting card section to our store?
23 December 2008, on 4:00 pm
Everyone has a God-shaped hole in their heart. You will never be satisfied by anything you try to fill it with here on earth. I hope you find Him before it’s too late.
I could do without Santa and the whole “Christmas” holiday. It has almost nothing to do with Christ and everything to do with materialism. Jesus was the least materialistic person in the world and is probably horrified by our attempts to connect Him with this holiday.
23 December 2008, on 4:57 pm
vwatson, you xians just can’t stumble on by, can you?
And you, most likely have no idea of what God is like. Try to describe this god and you come up with something like this?
And if you really read your WHOLE Bible, you would actually see that the god of Xian mythology is really not all that kind and loving. He is a mean bastard of a god who loves to destroy, is extremely jealous and vindictive.
This god is whatever you Xians want to imagine him to be. Good, fluffy lovey god, bad god, going to send you to hell god. Most of you invent this god to be a Genie god who grants your wishes.
Most people invent gods because they cannot stand the thought of dying. They want to live forever. Religion and god belief brings comfort to many people who cannot cope with this reality. So, they invent pretty scenerios of streets paved with gold, and fancy palaces and everyone walking around in another dimension greeting all their deceased ancestors…while others imagine they are kissing the feet of their god 24/7 while those who did not believe burn in hell for simply not believing in the myth.
If you really stopped to think about your religion, what you really believe, it’s like a horror story. A god, who is sick of the flawed creations he made, creates a son for himself by raping a virgin and then takes that son and allows him to be tortured and beaten and then killed in the most horrific way, only to bring him back again and says everyone who believes this bullshit is saved from some imagined sins.
These are the fancy brainwashed pretty things they teach you to say to non-believes and those who believe differently than you do. God shaped whole…how typically dramatic. And “too late”…the ending “threat” of your evil god…or your own evil desires because we dare not to accept what you believe, and even though we are good people.
That’s too bad because the Santa myth is a whole lot more loving, a whole lot warmer, a whole lot more hopeful of a message than your bloody gruesome story of a man having to be tacked up to a piece of wood because an almighty omniscient god could not think of another way? Just think about the absurdity of that. I am sure you are thinking or else you would not stick around to write on an atheist site. There must be something here that attracts you, something that we say you know is true.
There is no god. God belief is for people who need the fantasy to cope in life, to feel superior to others as you obviously feel. I am glad that you do understand that Christmas really has nothing to do with Christ. It’s the time of the Beautiful winter solstice. The time of year that is beautiful with its lights and good wishes, gathering together of friends and family, good food and giving gifts. Love. and peace.
I hope you ditch the religion and find true peace and happiness.
23 December 2008, on 10:31 pm
Actually I don’t think I’d find true peace and happiness here, if I were looking for it, which I’m not, since I’ve already found it. You all sound pretty negative and unhappy.
Moderator: Why, because we don’t agree with you? Stop and think for a bit. While most of us here are quite happy in our personal lives, the things we are unhappy about is you god botherers wanting to go around telling everyone how unhappy they are, how bad the world is, how evil everyone is, and all the while you hate this world and pine for a place humans have invented from their own imaginations. You are taught in your brainwashing centers that all of this world is bad, and only an imagined supernatural one is good. So, why bother with this world at all? What you have found is not of this world, you hate this world and hate yourself just as your religion teaches you. That is very sad. That is a huge reason why I started questioning my religion when I was a Xian. My young daughter said in church one Sunday that the confession prayer said she was bad, and she was not bad. How can people continue to teach their children they are bad? It’s why there is so much self-esteem problems, drug usage, etc in the world. And addictions. Your religion is simply an addiction. A security blanket you cannot give up.
So what exactly do you believe happens to you when you die?
Dig up a dead person and you will see for yourself. We decompose. Why are you Xians so worried about death? Defeating death in your imagination instead of dealing with reality and focusing on the here and now. Focus on the good in life and in yourself instead of the bad. You are suckered into believing you are bad. The prisons are mostly filled with some variety of god believer, but they don’t believe in themselves that they can be good people.
I speak from experience about the God-shaped hole in my own heart. I spent the first 27 years of my life trying to fill it with the things of this world and they did not satisfy or make me happy.
You then did not find anything of yourself to be happy about and still don’t. You are using your religion as hole-filler, a crutch. (what shape and size is your god, anyway?–He must be rather small since your heart is about the size of your fist.)Many people find consolation in the belief, and that is not for me to take away from you, but we have our own opinions here on this blog, and we all get through life without the god crap. We believe in ourselves, we get support from other human beings. No help comes without the help from yourself or other human beings. If you are alone in a real dire situation, no god comes to help you.
Why are you so violently opposed to anything God-related? If it’s nonsense as you say, why not just leave us Christians in our deluded state? It seems you are the ones that are working really hard to oppose and suppress something that maybe has a ring of truth to it.
There you go again with the “violent” terminology. I would not say we are “violent” people. We do not “violently” disagree. We ADAMANTLY disagree and there is a big difference. As for leaving Christians be, we do. You came here, remember? You could have gone on your merry way, realizing this is a “club” for atheists. But you just had to stop and interject your programmed god baloney we have heard repeated time and time again. We are not the ones who cry persecution whenever an atheist wants equal space on a billboard, or equal time on a television talk show. Atheists do not go door to door knocking waking people up to tell them their Xian beliefs are bullshit and condemn them to eternal punishment for your beliefs. But that is what you Xians do to us, and you wonder why we have blogs like this to come together and bitch about you. And working hard to “oppose and oppress”? You are kidding, right? In a country that is 86% Christian you must be joking. Wake up and see who is really being silenced, oppressed. This country was founded on freedom of religion and freedom not to have a religion at all. But Christians want to dominate. Christians do not respect Separation of Church and State. Many are bigoted against gays, and want to tell people what they can and cannot do in the privacy of their own homes, what they can and cannot do with their own bodies.
I don’t feel superior to anyone, just hoping to shine a glimmer of light into an obviously dark spot on the internet. Without God in the picture you have some unanswerable questions, like where did we come from and what are we here for?
You certainly come across as you feel superior to others with your “shine a glimmer of light” nonsense. The only dark spots on the internet are the religions of the Dark Ages when ignorant people knew little about the world around them. The darkness is from people like yourself who cling to ancient beliefs of an ignorant people. Where we came from and what are we here for? We are still working on where did we come from. Just because we do not know doesn’t mean we can write those answers off with Goddidit. What are we here for? Life has no meaning. We make our own meaning. Some people who believe in god lead pointless meaningless lives except for the one selfish belief that they are the pet of some god for merely existing and saying some magic words. God believers or not, we make our own meaning in this world.
24 December 2008, on 12:55 am
“Life has no meaning.”
That has to be a depressing existence. I feel sorry for all of you. I guess I just have one question, “What if you’re wrong?”
If you’re right and I’m wrong, I rot when I die and it’s no big deal. If I’m right and you’re wrong, it will be a huge deal.
God doesn’t send anyone to hell. They choose to go there themselves.
24 December 2008, on 1:32 am
Watson
The same way you feel and understand Santa is the same way we feel and understand god.
I pesonally have read three different translations plus I’ve read each once throughout and a second time for cross referencing. In fact reading the bible was instrumental in me coming to the recognition that it is just a tale. Just like Santa and his reindeer. The only real difference is that if you’re good then Santa brings you things. If you’re bad santa might not come but God will torture you for eternity in some kind of sadistic creation of his. Nice Loving god? Not really.
Oh and I do not have a god shaped hole in any part of me.
24 December 2008, on 10:45 am
Yesss! I love crapping Jeebus!
And I love all of the xian buzzwords and buzz-phrases that silly xians use. “God shaped hole in your heart.” “Spiritual war.” “Dark place.” It’s like they speak in a language of empty words, I know, because I used all of them at one point too. I wish I had time to write more about this.
Evangel-dating (one of my favorite buzz-words, pretending you like a guy to get him to come to church)
I just mentioned it because Vwatson used the “just hoping to shed a glimmer of light in an obviously dark spot on the internet.” I’ve heard that a million times. But anyway.
Vwatson, is this a dark place because we don’t believe the things you do? Is it because you’re brainwashed into thinking that without your religion your life means nothing? You know, that’s what your pastors and leaders want you to believe, so you’ll stick around and tithe, volunteer, spread the kingdom of gawd, etc. They also need you to help pay their salaries and pay off the student loans they racked up to get a degree in Divinity from Messiah College, or Liberty. That’s what tithing pays for, forget all the flowery talk about how god doesn’t need your money, but the sacrifice of tithing to gawd, blah blah, whatever… those fuckers just want to get paid.
I already know what you’re going to say, xians and their buzzwords are so predictable.
Vwatson my life is wonderful without your silly religion (do you think i’m ignorant and arrogant for that?)
———-”Without God in the picture you have some unanswerable questions, like where did we come from and what are we here for?”———
We don’t know where we came from, no one does, and some of us are completely alright with that. I am fine with that being a mystery. As for what we are here for? It’s different for everyone, but I think we’re here to live life to the fullest, celebrate the beauty of our planet, celebrate the beauty of our friends and loved ones, and contribute to making this religion infected world a safe place for all. None of which requires a gawd.
Just the fact that you think that since you have “God in the picture” makes you able to answer the unanswerable, shows me that maybe it’s you who are in a dark place, at least intellectually…
Ok rant rant rant, Merry ChuckAmas, where is that guy?!
24 December 2008, on 11:59 am
I don’t have a god-shaped hole in my heart, but if I did, would it resemble a grilled cheese sandwich? And wouldn’t the doctor want to fix it? Holey hearts aren’t very effective organs.
24 December 2008, on 12:42 pm
Watson, Why is having been born into this world a depressing existence with all the beauty in this world, the mountains, the oceans, the starry skies at night. I feel sorry for you god botherers who are enslaving your whole life for a myth. When I was a Christian follower, it was a depressing existence for me to sit in a church week after week and all the negativity about the world being focused on and being told how bad I am, how bad other people are, teaching bigotry towards people who are not followers of our version of Xian mythology. That is pretty depressing if you ask me.
With all the wonderful things to experience, to enjoy, to explore, to live for, why in the world would it be a negative experience for us?
And for “what if you’re wrong?”…so we must force ourselves to believe a ludicrous story for which there is no evidence except for a dusty old book for “insurance” just in case? Why don’t you believe in Buddha, Shiva, Isis, Ra, Odin, Zeus and the Flying Spaghetti Monster…just in case?
Don’t you think if there was a god worth his weight in salt would figure out if a person is pretending, for insurance purposes? Our of fear that a boogeyman might do something horrible to you? What kind of god would that be? As evil as any of the other Gods invented by human imagination.
SO, you are just going along with the lies, going along with an absurd and grossly disgusting story about a man-god being born and dying a bloody death because you are so incredibly evil. How are you that evil to burn in eternal flames, watson? What did you do so bad by just being born? You are scared into believing. You were born an atheist and would know nothing about any sort of god beliefs if human beings of your family and environment didn’t program them into you. If you were born in Asia, you might be a Buddhist, if you were born in Iraq, some sect of Muslim. You are what you are because of the exposure you have had, the programming you have had and when that programming involves threats and fear (and much guilt), it’s harder to get away from it.
Cannot choose what does not exist. Your religion is evil. They can only get people to believe by reward and punishment. You want to fantasize that you are special, that you will get some divine individual attention from some supreme being…along with the billions and billions of other souls past, present and future. Now, stop to consider that, watson…really, really think about how absurd that is.
24 December 2008, on 1:07 pm
I don’t have a god-shaped hole in my heart, but if I did, would it resemble a grilled cheese sandwich? And wouldn’t the doctor want to fix it? Holey hearts aren’t very effective organs.
Karen, you crack me up!
24 December 2008, on 2:24 pm
Comparing Santa to Jesus or God is absurd. If you’re talking about the real St. Nicholas giving gifts to poor people that’s a beautiful and honorable thing, but a fat man that lives at the North Pole, has flying reindeer, and goes down people’s chimneys, get serious.
Atheists have worked really hard to prove the Bible wrong for 2000 years. There has not been one case where anyone has proven anything factually incorrect in the Bible. Case in point, Lee Strobel, former atheist that tried to prove Christianity wrong and ended up becoming a Christian.
I’m not saying anyone should pretend to be a Christian to avoid hell. I’m saying really becoming one. Of course God can tell the difference when someone is pretending.
Try to separate Christianity from the flawed representation that some Christians or so-called Christians represent. You can’t throw God out because you attended a bad church or had a bad experience with someone who called themselves a Christian. If my church relied on my contributions to fund their salaries and projects they’d go bankrupt soon. I’m not exactly rolling in money right now and that is perfectly acceptable to them.
Regarding being “bad” people, of course we all are. That doesn’t mean I dislike myself or have low self-esteem. Someone else here accused me of being arrogant. The person whose daughter said she was not bad, has to realize that all children are bad at times. I’ve raised 3 daughters and believe me, they can be bad. The Bible’s standards of right and wrong include lying and stealing for example. Is there anyone on earth that hasn’t told a lie? I seriously doubt it. And if you don’t believe in an absolute standard of right and wrong, then you’ve really opened the door to a can of worms. It becomes this is right for me, but something else can be right for you, an absolutely indefensible position.
Okay, I’m off to church tonight to worship the one whose birthday this holiday is supposed to represent. Have a good holiday, or whatever you call it, since holiday comes from holy day, I suppose you reject that terminology also.
24 December 2008, on 3:09 pm
Yep…that lovely figurative language your pastors teach the sheeple to play on your emotions because the message is to absurd to stand on its own. You can believe all you want, but meaning to life is what you make it to be. There are many god believers who are slugs, do nothing but abuse their bodies, abuse this earth etc and all because they are taught that it is all worthless and meaningless.
Comparing Jesus to Santa Claus is absurd to you? Someone who believes in invisible puppet masters in the sky? And if you compare Santa to your god…Santa is immortal, he sees you when you are sleeping, knows when you are awake, knows if you’ve been bad or good…and Jeebus walks with you and talks with you and is your own very bestest friend in the whole world. Yet, when you find yourself in danger or in trouble who comes? HUMAN BEINGS. No god comes. Your invisible friend is nowhere. You die if you can’t fix it or get out of the trouble yourself.
Christians have not worked very hard to prove that the Bible is true (and most of you do not even know what is said in your Bible). If you believe the Bible is true, then why do you not stone your smart-mouthed teenagers to death? Why do you not stone adulterers? (Some of you might using your evil religion as justification, but thanks to human goodness, we have laws against that sort of thing.)
Atheist cannot prove something does not exist, and theists cannot prove that their god exists. Its the same thing if I asked you to prove that pink unicorns do not exist, that Santa Claus does not exist. Because your god, like the gods of all other religions past and present cannot be proven to exist.
And just because an occasional atheist starts believing in some version of this god does not prove that this god exists anymore than a person would start believing in the aliens of Scientology. Just because someone believes something doesn’t make it real.
That is exactly what you said because we cannot flick a switch and start believing that your absurd story is true, without zero evidence, just like that. “Become one of God” is another phrase you are programmed to say. I once said it before just as other ex-Xians here have. One with the Borg…no freethinking allowed. Join the sheeple herd. Your purpose is to go to some imaginary place over the rainbow when you die and kiss the ass of your imaginary friend 24/7 and be his special pets for all eternity. Sounds more like Hell to me.
Here we go with the Christians fighting amongst themselves again about who has the truest version of your mythological beliefs. Others call your version flawed. You call their’s flawed. If we put you all into an arena you would spend an eternity fighting amongst yourselves and never coming to an agreement as to who is god’s favorite or best pets.
Most of us here are older adults, and have experienced all types and versions of the Christian sects. I myself have never had a bad experience with a church or an individual that has made me rebel or whatever you might think. I came to the realization after becoming educated in world relgions, world mythology and also the reading of the Bible itself, that god is man-made, religion is a way to control the masses.
The church relies on the funds of the congregants to function. God cannot operate without money. Pastors use your money that is collected together to live a cushy life. No taxes, car allowances, nice comfortable home. And best of all, in these hard economic times, you keep them employed. Most of these pastors come from farm families and don’t want to do that hard work of the farmer, or like a relative of mine who went to school to be a lawyer but when it came time to take the BAR he decided it would be easier to play around being a youth pastor. He simply plays with teenagers all week off and on in exchange for a nice home, salary and extras. All at the expense of people who are barely scraping by. Organized religion is a business, plain, simple and honest.
I am not a bad person. I do not hurt people, I have worked hard to raise good children who have never been in trouble and are also good people. I do not kill, steal, or be mean to people. I help others, give to the poor and all that stuff. Most of the people I know are good people. Tell me watson, why are you so terribly bad to warrant going to eternal flames for simply rejecting a religion?
It seems that is what you said to begin with when you first came by to troll. You had a “hole in your heart”…remember? That is extreme low self-esteem if you need an invisible friend to fill it.
When you tell someone they are going to hell because they need what you believe because you have all the right answers,that indeed is arrogant.
My daughter was honestly never bad. She was a sweet child. Many children are bad because their parents take them to church and tell them they are bad. Yes, they might make mistakes as children do, but parents can help them correct those mistakes, but telling them they are bad is a terrible psychological error.
Many Xians I have known over the years were on valium, antidepressents, etc and they all went to church. The ones who got away from church got better, happier, more self-esteem and didn’t need a sky daddy to fill any “holes”.
Quit teaching them they are bad and maybe they won’t be so bad then. Teach them that they have it in themselves to be good and kind people. Not that it is okay to be bad because they go to church and some invisible magic man will forgive whatever bad deeds they do. Like I said before, the prisons are filled with mostly god believers.
Read Leviticus. Shall we stone your children to death if they lie, cut off their hands if they steal? It’s in your Bible. We can teach our children not to lie or steal without any Bible threats. We can teach them that it is not socially acceptable to lie and steal in our society and if we do there are real consequences for those things. And not by any sky daddy. It’s called jail.
(My husband, I can honestly say does not lie…he tells the truth even if it offends people.
But if one does tell a lie, that is not anything to burn in eternal flames for. There is no death penalty in real life for lying. Sometimes we must lie for a good reason. And so that is a complex topic. If you lie to hurt someone else, then you go to jail. Societal rules without your Bible.
The world is not black and white as you conservative Xians are taught. It’s a far more complex world out there. I suggest you take some anthropology courses.
These rules are set by the society in which we live. Not according to some dusty ancient text that tells us we must put unruly children to death.
Actually, Mithras was born today according to that mythology. The Christians stole the date as they did much from other mythologies.
This is mostly a day about Santa Claus, Peace on Earth and getting along with everyone around the world. But as long as their are god believers and fighting even amongst themselves, as long as you god believers go on accentuating the negatives of life and this world, peace will never come.
So go off to your mythology temple, and think you are better than everyone else because you are the pet of some imaginary friend in another dimension that has never been found. Hopefully you have found something at this site and hung around long enough for a few seeds of doubt to be planted.
24 December 2008, on 3:17 pm
I wrote a lengthy response, then I deleted it…
because… a) he won’t be back, it was just a drive-by trolling b) there’s no way to make him think outside of his delusion, and c) he might blow my holiday buzz and it just isn’t worth it!
24 December 2008, on 3:55 pm
Travdawg, you should have posted it. Obviously vwatson is interested and must be questioning his faith if he is spending so much time here. He is arguing with us, but really arguing with himself. He has these questions and to spend so much time here he is intrigued by us and our lack of faith, and lack of need for any sky daddy beliefs.
Just as an example, I won’t say the name because he has become an internet friend, but I had a troll on my personal blog and he was so argumentative, a seemingly die-hard fundie. At first I was mean, I admit. But he kept coming back and then started commenting on my astronomy posts. Then started talking more and he finally has given up the Jeebus dying on the cross gruesome bullshit, though he is now more “deist” and that is the usual progression.And even if he stays with Deist it is more reasonable than the fundie he once was. Most of our founding fathers were Deists.
26 December 2008, on 2:36 pm
Actually only a few of the founding fathers were deists. That’s still far from being an atheist.
Moderator says - many were most likely closet atheists which any literary scholar can recognize when reading the private journals and letters written by these so-called “deists”.
They all quoted the Bible frequently and adhered to its standards, recommending them as the foundation for our country’s laws and government.
Using the Bible and religion to control the masses has been a political tactic since the beginning of civilization. Control the people by fear. As we can see from other societies, no need for Christianity to bring about civilization. Society needs rules and laws in order to get along. The Bible just incorporated some of these things that were already established and nothing new.
Re: Santa vs. God or Jesus, it is totally absurd to compare a human, Santa, who supposedly can fly all around the world in one night with his reindeer to an eternal, supernatural being who created the universe. The Creator is not bound by the limitations of His creation.
Read what you just wrote here again. It’s priceless. “Eternal supernatural being”…just THINK about how absurd that idea really is. The Greeks also believed in these “eternal supernatural” beings and they erected temples to them which now stand in ruins, as will one day the Xian mythology temples of today. All religions change and die out, replaced by new ones over time because humans cannot stand not having immediate answers for things, and they cannot leave anything unexplained even if they have to invent their own answers.
As Creator, He established the rules for His creation.
You haven’t even been able to prove the existence of this “creator” yet. This creator is what your religion has taught you to imagine…your one little sect of Xianity amongst hundreds and hundreds of variations of the God myth. So, what I am saying is that Human Beings established these creation myths and wrote them in books.
That’s the main problem many atheists/agnostics have. They don’t want anyone else telling them what to do or what is right or wrong.
That is what law enforcement is for. We have no problem living our lives as law-abiding citizens.
No one answered my question about what you base right and wrong on if it is not an absolute standard like the Bible.
Laws are made by the laws of the land. Behaviors that our society dictate that we must follow in order to live peacefully in harmony with one another. One does not need a Bible or any other ancient mythology book for that. If you break the laws, there are consequences, jail, death penalty in many states…with or without your Babble. The scary thing is that many of your followers think they can break any rules, even commit murder and be forgiven if they beg their imaginary friend for forgiveness. You go to church week after week saying you are sorry for the same shit again and again then walk around “forgiven” like good little pets of your imaginary friend.
When you say that your husband doesn’t lie and that your children are not “bad,” you’re using a different standard or definition of the word than I am. There is no one that has never told a lie, not even your husband.
You don’t know my husband so that is fucking presumptuous of you, and so very typical. My children were good according to the standards of the society in which they live. They are first class, law-abiding citizens.
The first 4 of the Ten Commandments deal with our relationship to God, so you have all broken those anyway.yadda yadda yadda….
I deleted the above paragraph because as you were warned, Bible quoting and witnessing is not allowed, remember? We do not recognize your ancient mythology book as any type of authority over us. We live by the established laws of the society in which we live. Not your ancient book that condemns adulterers to be stoned, smart-mouth teenagers to be stoned to death, and cutting off hands for robbery, etc.
Watson, Why is having been born into this world a depressing existence with all the beauty in this world, …
There is much that I love and enjoy in this world. I love hiking, biking, riding my horse on the trails and enjoying nature. But there is an incredibly evil side to this world also.
See…you did it again vwatson…corrupted beauty, and all the things you love to do. You tainted it with the evil side of your religion. The negativity it teaches. Religion teaches that you cannot love yourself, you cannot love this world or think anything is good enough.
Yes, there is much bad going on in the world and we are not blind to it, but sitting in a pew and wishing some genie to take you over the rainbow to another dimension away from it all someday is ABSURD…and very selfish and cowardly. It gives you a way to get out of doing anything. Just say some magical incantations and you are off the hook…psychologically in your own mind.
I don’t have to tell you about that. Innocent Amish girls being killed by a serial murderer who obviously planned to rape them if he had the chance, Columbine, Terrorist attacks, child abuse, rape, murder, cancer, etc. occurring on a daily basis.
All because your religion makes people psychotic. Makes them feel never good enough, you outcast people, shun them. You teach them that this world is not a good place. You teach them they are nothing if they don’t have an imaginary friend like you do. And then when a few disturbed people cannot believe in your god, or they realize just how violent your religion is, they go apeshit and cannot cope. And NO GOD COMES TO INTERVENE. The SWAT teams of HUMANS must come and take care of the mess. Doctors and surgeons must cure cancer patients. Christians run to science faster than they do their imaginary friend when they are sick or injured. Because NO GOD COMES.
Since you believe only in this life, those wrongs are never righted.
It’s what you leave behind. Your legacy, your memory and those who love you will remember you for whatever kind of person you are whether you were a prick or amazingly awesome good person. A religious person deludes themselves that their wrongs are righted by psychologically relieving themselves of the guilt via imaginings of an imaginary father figure forgiving them of whatever wrongs they have done. Many wrongs can be righted …if one steals and is truly remorseful after paying his or her dues, then they can go out and give back something to the community, etc. But talking to an imaginary sky boss does nothing except like I said, provides psychological relief of guilt, imagined or real.
And how about since most people are good…how about focusing on their goodness and not all this confessing their tiny little flaws that are just part of being human…the way we are made.
Christians believe in a God of love, but also a God of justice.
Yep…you love that vengence, that violence. Love is never good enough. Your religion is like a Rambo movie…gotta get that “justice”. And the ones you focus in on are the good people because most of you are too chicken shit to go talk to the truly bad people of society. Like my niece’s husband who could have done so much good in the ghettos of Chicagoland, he runs off to an isolated island in Alaska as a youth pastor, playing in the mountains and tells everyone it is “god’s calling” to relieve his guilt about running away from where real help is needed.
Some day there will be justice for all those things.
That is what you are brainwashed to say.
That is hope. Without a belief in eternal life, there is hopelessness.
Why? You living a terribly dull life? You cannot just accept that this is great that we were ever conceived and survived to see the beauty and wonder of this planet? Many children never live to even have a boyfriend or girlfriend and experience their first kiss. Many kids in poverty stricken places around the planet die while digging in the mud to find something to eat. Talk about hopelessness! And it is hopeless for these poor people because no god comes. If humans cannot get food and clothing and water to these people…they die. No god comes. Think about that vwatson before coming around telling us how wrong we are. Dont bother commenting here anymore because we are done with you.
26 December 2008, on 4:16 pm
Not living according to God’s standards and laws is how we get rulers like Hitler and Stalin who kill people by the millions.
That is bullcrap. It’s the stale old argument Xians like to pull out, while atheist can pull out hundreds of examples of Xian brutality. Look at the Inquistion for starters. Much violence and mass killing has been committed and justified by “god’s standards”. Just look at GW and what his god told him to do. Thousands upon thousands of people dead, maimed and homeless.
According to Hitler it was right to kill Jews.
And Hitler was a Catholic…Catholic church and crappy father fucked him up.
Mao, Hitler, etc all made religions of themselves. Anytime anyone uses their power to control the masses by making gods of themselves ends terribly.
That’s what happens when we leave standards of right and wrong up to human judgment and societal standards.
This god never shows up to clear anything up. Much of the crimes are being committed by people raised in god believing homes. Most of the prisoners packed in our prisons are some form of god botherer. While all these crimes being committed, no god ever comes in to stop these people from doing the terrible things they do.
And as far as human standards and societal standards, considering the number of people in our population and the small number of law enforcement in comparison, people no matter what walk of life simply want to live in peace and do unto others as they want done to them…and that comes from an old Confucius teaching way before your mythology book was written.
Obviously you see things the way you want to see them.
Obviously you want to keep on deluding yourself and believe that you have a special imaginary friend who never shows himself to you (unless you suffer from some form of psychosis…if you really lived like you believe that you get locked up in a mental ward.) You are here chattering away with your nothing god. You can’t say what this god looks like except what you want to imagine and make up. You cannot say where this other dimension is where this god lives. You cannot prove angels exist, you cannot prove demons exist. If you were drowning in a vast lake or ocean and no humans around and cried your eyes out for your god to come rescue you…you drown and human beings find your body washed up on shore, or you become fish food, whatever. No rescue comes without humans, no god messages get told without humans, no god has ever spoken for himself or herself. Because they are FICTION.
Perhaps some day your heart will soften and you’ll be open to something outside your little box.
There you go with the little melodramatic quickie quotes you are taught to memorize,or hear all the time and so use them without even thinking. Like different jobs have different jargon they pick up from the people they are around. My heart better not soften, it needs to stay strong so it can keep me alive because no god will. As for boxes, I am not the one putting myself in a box week after week hearing the same shit pumped into me week after week sitting straight in your little wooden pews listening to some asshat tell you about how bad you are and then afterwards goes home to jerk off with a Hustler magazine or whatever they do in private unless they get caught at it, like many god botherers have done. They are PEOPLE…they are telling you to be afraid, to live your life a certain way because you are so very bad. When what they really want is for you to keep coming to church and bring friends so he can get a good salary, house, car allowance and all the benefits many of the congregants don’t get…and he gets his raises for bringing in more sheeple. It’s the cushiest con-artist job on the planet.
You accuse me of being brainwashed,
You are.
I’ve never encountered people as brainwashed and close-minded as the ones on this site.
Um…have you ever been an atheist? Most of us here have been Christians for several decades before “seeing the light of reason”.
And if that is what you think then you have not read anything on this site and only focusing on your perceived “persecution” and not the thought-out posts and arguments that we present here. All you can think about and obsess with is a bunch of people think that religious belief is a delusion, and we don’t buy into it and we live life just fine as law-abiding, family loving, committed citizens of our diverse nation…and we want to keep it free. People like you would like to turn everyone into mindless sheeple who are too afraid to think for themselves in fear of some imaginary eternal torture for simply being different.
If you get tired of your sarcasm, profanity, and negativity, stop by some of the Christian sites on the internet for a breath of fresh air - and hope!
Negativity? This goes to show that you are not reading one goddam thing I am writing here. Why am I even bothering with you? I told you that your religion is the most negative kind. Threats of death to get people to believe. A god who creates a son to allow to die a horrible death simply because people want freedom and do not believe the same way is as negative as it gets. A religion that is always referencing war, death obsessed, sex obsessed, voyeuristic into people’s sex lives and bedrooms…you are the negative one and hopefully not to blind to realize one day that what you believe to be real is just another ancient myth invented by human beings who want to control others.
And no thanks to the invite to join in on the psychosis. (And profanity won’t hurt you. It’s language, slang to express strong feelings. If your little ears can’t stand it or if it makes your eyes burn, you better not come back. This is the last message I am bothering with from you anyway. So…TTYN. Adios.
5 January 2009, on 7:47 pm
Is there any one of you who would care to state your explanation of your own existence - as in: Why do you exist? What is your purpose for being here? Who is the “you” behind the physical you? What is the invisible force that moves you? Do you exist after you die and Where do you go to? Do you treat anyone anyway you want to? Do you have guidelines such as principles and values? If so, where do you get them from? (If you say your parents, then you have to go back to the beginning). On and on… If you have the answers, please let us “suckers” know! Unless you’re not so kind. Why is there (and has been since time) such suffering and horrendous atrocities perpetrated against each other? Outside of God - that is to say any other entity or being other than you yourself, Please explain the reason for all this?? Because if you yourself do reason it all out, then there must be some sense to it all. These are important issues - as important as your own life is to you Any honest, sincere, non-sarcastic responses are truly appreciated. Paul
5 January 2009, on 10:27 pm
We don’t do like the Christians and other god botherers do and make up answers as to why do we exist. For us, we make our own reason for our existence. Many god botherers simply exist to believe and do nothing productive at all with their lives. Their lives are pointless waiting for some other afterlife they have absolute zero evidence for. Their desires are selfish and they have a sense of entitlement to some magical kingdom for simply being born. That is totally absurd.
Our purpose is what we make of it. Who we decide to become. What education we have, what we choose to do with our lives. It’s up to us. As I stated above, there are many Christians who sit around getting fat,whining about their problems and doing nothing to better the world. To invent a magical being who is going to take them somewhere over the rainbow is quite imaginative, but also like I said, pointless and useless.
There is no you behind the physical me. I die I turn into a lump of limp flesh and bones…then after burial I disintegrate and become dust once again…stardust. We are all made of stardust and all will become stardust again eventually. Even the entire Earth one day will be engulfed by an expanding Sun. Nothing in the Universe lasts forever.
Casper the ghost? LOL! This question is so funny. Invisible force. You want to believe there is an invisible force, but all there is is you. Many if not most people cannot accept that they are mortal. Humans cannot accept the thought of no longer being. The force that actually moves me is my blood,oxygen, and the way my body works. Cut a vein and I am dead. Intelligent designer? I don’t think so. Just look at how our bodies are made with all the flaws. Useless appendixes that get infected and if they burst will kill us, wisdom teeth that cause nothing but torment. Anyway, take a biology course and you might understand how life forms function.
Nope, ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Just like every other living thing. Some other civilization (if humanity survives that long) will dig up your bones a thousand years from now and they will learn about your mythology just as we have done with the Egyptians who also believed they were going to live forever. They are in museums now, so I guess they are sort of living beyond in some form of afterlife…but only from their remains and the writings they left behind.
I treat people the way I would like to be treated. “Do unto others”…have you heard of that saying?
What I have been taught by my parents according to acceptable values and behaviors of the society in which we live. These guidelines come from humans, civilized humans. No god belief is necessary .
We don’t make up answers for what we do not know. Unlike Christians who are impatient or cannot accept that some things there are just no answers to. So you make up your god beliefs to fill in the gaps. You are suckers who follow blindly what ignorant humans have invented for coping devices thousands of years ago. Christianity isn’t the only mythology. There are many, many world mythologies. Humans are quite inventive.
Most of it is committed by Christians or other god believers. The prisons are full of Christians. The god of your Bible is the ultimate example of one who commits horrendous atrocities against his own creations. You would think that a good god who can do things any way he wants could find a more loving and peaceful way to deal with his “children”. Your Bible is an awful book that tells people to stone their children to death for being unruly, to stone to death adulterers or those who have premarital sex, your god turns people to pillars of stone for the tiniest infarction, your god drowns a whole planet full of people because he is pissed off at the mistakes he made with them…but allows pervert Noah, who gets drunk and naked, to live. So…before you start pointing fingers, just consider your own religion and what you actually profess to believe.
Astronomers and scientists can explain a lot of things and research is ongoing and will be ongoing for as long as humanity survives. Just because you don’t know the answers doesn’t mean you make them up. And like I stated before a couple of times now, you make life what you want it to be. It’s your choice. No god is going to live your life for you. You have to get up and make things happen. Humans make things happen.
There is no reasoning god belief. God beliefs are mythology and are absurd.
So, there you have your answers. We admit that there are things we do not know, or can never know. We accept our own mortality, we get our morals from what our society expects, and we make our own lives mean something. Life is what you make it to be…you make your own meaning. And if you make it to be all god belief, that is such a waste of the time you have being alive.
5 January 2009, on 11:47 pm
Paul
Non-sarcastic? Do you really know where you have just commented? LOL.
6 January 2009, on 12:44 pm
Jimmer, funny isn’t it? Christians come upon a site called God is for Suckers and feel compelled to comment nevertheless. It always amazes me. And if they would READ some of what is written here they wouldn’t have to ask the same damn questions all the time.
6 January 2009, on 5:16 pm
Stardust
These people baffle me. Don’t they understand who we are and what we are about?
Afterall all we have is words. I guess they can’t handle even that. Which goes to the fact that they are childish. Whah, Whah, Whah.
6 January 2009, on 6:17 pm
Yep, they always have to stop and boo hoo about us not sharing their deluded beliefs. You should check the God Mail sometime. Talk about a bunch of boo-hooers. We get threats of hell, nasty messages about our site, and telling us we are awful people etc. etc.and funny when they say that stuff and end with “Peace” or “have a nice day” or some insincere baloney like that. They are what Holden calls people like this in Catcher in the Rye…”Phoney”. I really think the ones who feel compelled to stop by and leave a comment really have a lot of doubts and are uncomfortable with that and so leave a comment trying to cling to their beliefs by continue to excessively “witness” to others so that maybe their doubts will disappear.
30 January 2009, on 7:15 pm
Or it could be that we’re genuinely concerned about people like you.
No reason to be concerned about us. Show concern for the hungry, homeless, oppressed and the downtrodden…and provide some real help and concern. Not magical prayers and perpetuating of supernatural and illogical fears.
Think about how totally ridiculous your beliefs are.
Over the ages, when it comes to superstition, majorities often believed in some absurd things, only to be proven wrong with the progression of time and knowledge. A majority of people once believed the earth was flat, and then were proven wrong.
Just because a majority of people “believe” something, doesn’t make it true. Keep that in mind and ponder it awhile.
Mods
16 February 2009, on 1:36 am
Do you want a list of all the schools, hospitals, orphanages, food pantries, homeless shelters, pregnancy care centers, anti-slavery societies, etc. etc. that Christians have started over the years? Christians have shown more real concern for others throughout history than any other group.
From the Moderator: The point is that your God doesn’t do squat. He never shows up. If people don’t do anything, nothing happens.
And our other point, which you fail to understand is that these things can be done to help others without religion. Religion doesn’t have to come into it at all. Christian help and love is conditional…it’s a “strings attached” kind of love.
As for Christians doing more than any other group, I won’t argue about that because you delusional folks outnumber us by a large number, so it makes sense that you do more…but still most of the time it’s a “strings’ attached” kind of love. You can’t do anything without invitation to join your superstitious beliefs. And as for the Christian church doing all good, just look at the violence that Christians have wrought through the ages. There is a dark side to Christianity, as well. As for religious, delusional folks. you have the numbers, but that doesn’t mean you have the monopoly on helping. Help comes from human goodness.No god comes. And don’t tell me that your magical man in the sky gives us that desire to help. That is just utter nonsense as any other ancient mythology. Humans make their gods to suit themselves. According to how human beings behave.
You create a list of things like that, that atheists have done and I’ll come up with one for Christians and we’ll compare notes.
Why don’t you stop to consider that atheists work side-by-side with Christians in times of need and disaster. The world isn’t so neatly divided up into groups as you think. There are millions and millions of atheists in the world. Like I said, Christians do not have the monopoly on caring and helping. Saying that most help comes from Christians when they make up less than a third of the population on this planet makes your assumptions ludicrous. The desire to help comes from human goodness. Without human help, nothing happens. If humans don’t get involved, no god comes. Think about it before you pompously and arrogantly come to other people’s blog and talk about things you apparently are uninformed about. NO GODS COME.
28 March 2009, on 1:37 pm
It has been commented that we “Choose” to go to hell - god does not put us there. This choice is a false one. It is as if I give you a choice between jumping out of an airplane with or without a parachute. I mean “God” tells us meager humans we could love and fear him and have eternal life of be tortured forever. Wow..that sounds like he has given us “free will.” People do not choose to be tortured , they choose to use their logic and reason.
Also, we are all flawed. We can make mistakes on everything and anything. Because of that, peoples decision to become a christian can be wrong. There is a chance that they are wrong about the decision and thus wrong about the existence of a God. But try and explain that to a christian. They will agree that people are flawed, except when it comes to the decision to become a christian. That decision is the only time people can be flawless. Then ask if other people are wrong about becoming anything else and they will tell you they had made an incorrect decision. It’s an unbelievable example in flawed logic. But that is what religion is at its core.