How to Choke a Bitch
22 January 2009 by Bob
Sorry, just couldn’t resist the Brady-Chappelle reference (at 4:15)…
Cleric: Rape, beating OK for wives
During a 2003 lecture also posted on the internet last year, Mr Hamza told followers that under Islamic law, men could demand sex from their wives. Despite Australian laws requiring consent, he said it was impossible for a man to rape his wife even if she refused to have sex. He also said that Islamic law allowed men to hit their wives as a last resort – but were not allowed to leave them bruised or bloodied. [...] In the lecture, titled The Keys to a Successful Marriage, Mr Hamza mocks Australia’s sexual assault laws that require consent for sex between a man and his wife. “Amazing, how can a man rape his wife?” he asks. Mr Hamza, a cleric in the Melbourne suburb of Coburg, said a man could hit his wife on the hand or leg – but not on the head. [...] In his lecture, Mr Hamza said a man was entitled under Islamic law to demand sex from his wife. “If the husband was to ask her for a sexual relationship and she is preparing the bread on the stove she must leave it and come and respond to her husband, she must respond,” he said. He also said men could advise their wives they would be beaten if they were disobedient. “First of all advise them,” he said. “You beat them … but this is the last resort. “After you have advised them (not to be disobedient) for a long, long time then you smack them, you beat them and, please, brothers, calm down, the beating the Mohammed showed is like the toothbrush that you use to brush your teeth. “You are not allowed to bruise them, you are not allowed to make them bleed.”
22 January 2009, on 12:52 pm
That’s just sad. That anyone would feel that way as a human being is atrocious, but the fact that his view is based on his religion just makes it even more heinous.
22 January 2009, on 1:59 pm
Islamic law is cruel, abusive and humiliating. Hard to believe people still actually follow these religious teachings in this modern day and age. I have seen from my extended family who are fundies just how oppressive towards women their version of sky daddy beliefs really are. Their version of forcing obedience is more verbal than physical (so far as I know) but I’ve seen these men be verbally insulting, emotionally abusive to their wives. They have no consideration for what the woman wants, even if it means taking her off to an isolated island off the coast of Alaska so he can control her.
22 January 2009, on 3:15 pm
Couldn’t find the contact info for Samir al Derka Hamza, but here is the contact info for the organization…
Islamic Information and Services Network
http://www.iisna.com/contact/
1/995 Sydney Road
Coburg North, 3058
Melbourne, Victoria
Australia
+61 3 9354-7500 phone
You can also e-mail from the website at the link above.
22 January 2009, on 3:16 pm
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22 January 2009, on 3:17 pm
Here is the contact info for the Islamic Information Services Network. COuldn’t find specific contact info for old Samir al Durka Hamza (durkadurka!!!!!!) but we need to speak out against this asshat.
Address:
1/995 Sydney Road
Coburg North, 3058
Melbourne, Victoria
Australia
Telephone:
+61 3 9354-7500
Fax:
+61 3 9354-4955
22 January 2009, on 3:20 pm
Apparently, Samir al “Slapahoe” Durka Hamza heads this organization. You can e-mail from their website also.
http://www.iisna.com/contact/
We should have Hoffy give them a call, it might not be long distance for him. And he’s crazy and it would just be hilarious!
22 January 2009, on 8:00 pm
Actually I’m anything but crazy, I’m full on in your face at times but I can assure you all that I am not crazy, on that note I shall bit you farewell, I’m a litle shocked that that’s how I am viewed, my passionate dislike of religion is simply because I care about my grand childrens Freedom to be who they want without having religious morons destroying their lives, as clinical psychologist I saw dozens of clients whose lives were destroyed by religion, I’m actually the secretary for NA s public imformation committee here in WA and a consultant for the West Australian department of Healths addiction and substance abuse board, again in this role I see how religion has harmed so many people, this forum was just a place I could let out my pain and anguish and just be a bit out there, it’s not something I have been able to do for many many years, I’m off to study again and pursue a new career path as I’m tired of dealing with tragedy, I wish you all well………..
23 January 2009, on 12:07 am
According to the Sydney Morning Herald, after world leaders condemned Hamza’s comments, he has backpedalled and claimed that his words were taken out of context, and insisted he meant it in a “metaphorical” sense.
Yeah, right. This is what they all do: say something outrageous, and when people take them to task for it, instead of having the balls to defend it or to apologise, they curl up in a ball and claim their words have been distorted.
23 January 2009, on 12:14 am
The law needs to be amended. All of their wives should be required to carry a very large caliber gun to be used on the husband the first time he hits her. The use of said gun should by the wife should be considered not only legal but a very moral act committed for the public good.
23 January 2009, on 1:40 am
Hoffy…if you’re still around to read this; I just came around…a bit later than usual today…to catch up on the new Posts; especially Bob’s latest additions.
Obviously, I don’t know how serious Travdawg’s comment was RE the use of the word “crazy” in bringing your name into the mix.
I hope, indeed, he was just doing it in jest. Maybe he can enlighten us on that account?
I personally feel one has to be very careful, especially when commenting here on GifS…a Site dealing with such a sensitive subject (and very sensitive people!) from the get-go…about fellow atheists; particularly, when one doesn’t really know them well enough to make any assumptions.
I can only speak for myself…obviously…but; I’ve enjoyed very much your candor, insights…and often sensitive personal revelations about your life experiences. Even your, shall we say…stream of consciousness style…punctuation, and other idiosyncratic (but charming!) “flaws” included; once I got the gist of your ultra-free style of expression, I’ve been thoroughly enjoying…AND…daily, come to each Post looking forward to your contributions to our rather “offbeat group”.
I don’t think I’m alone in saying: PLEASE!..don’t take one comment made as any reflection on the rest of us…in other words…
Please continue making your presence known…Or…maybe…like that old song:
“Doncha Go Away Mad!”…?
23 January 2009, on 10:18 am
There is no god. Your faith based ideology doesn’t mean jack shit in court. Assault is assault. rape is rape.
Appeals to invisible sky daddy who said this was acceptable are meaningless since there is no invisible sky daddy.
23 January 2009, on 11:28 am
“According to the Sydney Morning Herald, after world leaders condemned Hamza’s comments, he has backpedalled and claimed that his words were taken out of context, and insisted he meant it in a “metaphorical” sense.”
K9–People like Durkadurka are so slimey. So often, their comments are “taken out of context.” Making them the victim, and the reporter/reader of the news “insensitive” or even “racist.”
In what context can this be taken as anything but deplorable? In the context of the 6th century middle east, I guess. Get with the times, Durkadurka.
Metaphorical, my ass. You can’t just throw in the word “metaphorical” after the fact and make it all better.
This is the kind of stuff I bring to xtians attention when they tell me “you have to believe in SOMETHING. Something is better than nothing.”
23 January 2009, on 1:05 pm
“Words are bullets, and should be used sparingly, aimed toward a target.”
(Army Colonel Dick Hallock)
That is a metaphor.
“After you have advised them (not to be disobedient) for a long, long time then you smack them, you beat them…”
That is NOT a metaphor.
Does this Mr Hamza really think people don’t see through his lies?
I am relieved to read (thanks, k9!) that Islamic leaders have tried to set Mr Hamz straight on the subject of wife assault and that beating one’s wife is apparently not a generally accepted practice among Muslims in Australia. Of course we do have historical evidence from places like Afghanistan that not all Muslims agree on the subject of wife assault. Most of us have seen the video of Taliban men beating women in public who have been so disobedient as to think it was okay to appear in public without a male family member to escort them. Something in the Islamic traditions and teachings must lead to ambiguity on the matter.
Of course, many xian men don’t actually believe a wife can be raped by her husband either. It was only in 1976 that some of the US states enacted laws to protect women from marital rape. It is still difficult to prosecute and unlike rape by strangers a wife must report the rape within a shorter time frame after the assault in order for the courts to take action (in many US states).
That film by the Gunn Brothers (see post by Bob earlier) doesn’t help matters either. Women who make such statements about feminism are traitors to all women in my opinion.
23 January 2009, on 1:14 pm
This is the kind of stuff I bring to xtians attention when they tell me “you have to believe in SOMETHING. Something is better than nothing.”
Since there’s more “nothing” or empty space in every molecule than actual stuff. Nothing is actually better than something. It takes a lot of nothing to make something work.
23 January 2009, on 1:33 pm
This is the kind of stuff I bring to xtians attention when they tell me “you have to believe in SOMETHING. Something is better than nothing.”
Just because I am an atheist doesn’t mean I believe in nothing. I believe in LOTS OF THINGS! Like freedom of belief, the right to walk down the street without being assaulted, the right of women not to be raped. I just don’t believe in some invisible sky daddy.
23 January 2009, on 8:45 pm
If reincarnation is real and I come back wearing a burka, I’m on the next boat to a secular state. This is barbaric as is usually most my impressions of Islam.
23 January 2009, on 11:29 pm
I had a xtian girl-friend once who told me I “believe in nothing.” I advised her for a long, long time. Then I smacked her. I beat her. Metaphorically.
Tommy and Lynda–Yeah, I usually respond by telling people who say this that I believe in plenty of things for which I am given evidence–and that’s plenty for me, thank you very much.