Egyptian cleric’s deranged rant against Valentine’s Day
12 February 2009 by StardustSome of us may not like Valentine’s Day for reasons that it is too commercialized, just another “Hallmark Holiday” and a day for businesses to make money. However, this Muslim cleric, Hazem Shuman says that Valentine’s Day is “more dangerous than AIDS, Ebola, and Cholera” and that it’s an “extremely dangerous virus” to young people because this day of love, hearts, candy and roses destroys the relationship with their imaginary friend. Valentine’s Day is worse than blowing up cafes full of innocent people? Valentine’s Day is worse than famine, war and violence between nations? You never see these god botherers of any religion getting in such a tizzy over the real problems of the world.
Here is the video link and YouTube video below:
12 February 2009, on 2:30 pm
Yeah…what a totally obnoxious idiot. Makes me want to say to him:
“Hey, you sado-masochistic asshole…your so-called Prophet Mohammered, judging from what anyone, historically, knows about him, was nothing more than a totally insane and delusional, fuckhead pedophile.
Flying up to “heaven” on a horse?…and you actually BELIEVE that shit? The Qur’an, like the Buybull, is total, absolute, complete rip-off mythological…bullshit!
You’re a complete, hopelessly deranged, idiot. Go fuck yourself…which is more than likely, the only person on the planet who’d really be interested in trying…?”
Now that I’ve got that off my…(oh-so loving, cherubic, Valentine) chest?…
If you haven’t already, dear GifSters…check out good ole Wikipedia RE “V” day. I never realized how complicated its history was; and there’s even some interesting Valentine’s Day cards to explore:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine%27s_Day
12 February 2009, on 2:44 pm
Anybody got this guy’s address? I want to send him a card and a box of chocolates.
12 February 2009, on 3:36 pm
He doesn’t sound any different from the christian loonies on American TV.
And since they all are followers of the same religion, Abrahamic Monotheism, why would that be a surprise?
12 February 2009, on 4:06 pm
Jaycubed, no he doesn’t sound any different from the christian loonies on television, but that doesn’t make him any less loonie. It’s not a surprise, but it doesn’t mean we can’t make fun of him now does it?
12 February 2009, on 5:39 pm
Ok, I’m wayyy busy with work and school so sorry I haven’t said hello lately.
But after I saw this video I figured I’d wish you all a Happy Darwin Day, oh…
and DERKA DERKA DERKA DERKA DERKA VALENTINES DAY IS EVIL DERKA MCDERK DERKA DERKAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12 February 2009, on 5:42 pm
OMD that is probability the funnyest thing i will read all week ty travdawg for making a deployed Marine smile
12 February 2009, on 8:46 pm
“Jaycubed, no he doesn’t sound any different from the christian loonies on television, but that doesn’t make him any less loonie. It’s not a surprise, but it doesn’t mean we can’t make fun of him now does it?”
Stardust:
Of course not. But, while it’s always easier (and safer) to make fun of people who are far away, what good does it do? What benefit occurs? (Other than having yourself a chuckle.)
Making fun of the sanctimonious loonies in your own community may not be easy or safe, but there is some chance of having an actual effect on others.
Making fun of fools on the other side of the world is really just masturbation, self-stimulus for self-pleasure. Nothing wrong with it, but . . .
12 February 2009, on 11:30 pm
Exchanging Valentine’s Day cards certainly does spread a lot of germs around. Kids are always sick in February.
13 February 2009, on 12:14 am
Of course not. But, while it’s always easier (and safer) to make fun of people who are far away, what good does it do? What benefit occurs? (Other than having yourself a chuckle.)
And if you read through the archives you will find that we mock Xians here on our own soil most of the time and no one complains that it is a waste of time to mock them. And we also discuss real issues concerning separation of church and state. However, just because some loonies live in far-off lands does not make them immune to harmless mockery, or serious discourse when it comes to those god botherers who are endangering the human rights and physical well-being of their citizens and others.
When we bring up the subject and issues concerning the “fools on the other side of the world” it is not simply “masturbation, self-stimulus for self-pleasure. ” God botherers on the other side of the globe are murdering homosexuals, adulterers, and those even suspected of these things. The Twin Towers were brought down by crazy god botherers from the other side of the world, praising their imaginary friend the whole time. We cannot isolate our concern for our own little area of the globe. And we don’t have to isolate our mockery to our own little place on the planet. As our subheader says at the top of the mainpage (”Making fun of believers everywhere.)
13 February 2009, on 1:50 am
Wow. That was funny. Proof that religion poisons everything. Valentines Day sheesh what next? Next thing ya know they’ll be talking bad about Easter. Heh Heh Heh…
13 February 2009, on 10:31 am
Well it seems, SOMEBODY’s sure upset a lovely girl rejected him as her Valentine…
13 February 2009, on 10:34 am
Kate, that’s hilarious! Just look at him though. He’s probably got a bird’s next in that beard!
13 February 2009, on 10:50 am
Hindu extremists also have their panties in a knot over Valentine’s Day.
Valentine’s panty protest hits Hindu extremists
13 February 2009, on 11:45 am
^ (article snip)
“The Consortium of Pub-going, Loose and Forward Women already has 20,000 Facebook members and the underwear is coming in thick and fast.”
‘Like’…
You go, “girls”!
[And sorta reminiscent of Robert Duvall in "Apocalypse Now"]:
“Ah…the smell of pink panties in the morning!”
13 February 2009, on 1:12 pm
That is funny as can be.
“…”Indian culture does not say beat up women. What do these people have to say about that?” she asked.
According to Aswini Shetty, a member of the group from Mumbai, the panty protest was about protecting women’s rights.
“Today they say don’t go to pubs. Tomorrow they will say don’t go to work. Then they can demand that we cover our faces. It can get out of control,” she said.”…
Proof that religion poisons everything. The relgious mob is breaking it’s own rules. Yet they expect to be considered as having a valid right to such actions.
Stardust
Re: Making fun of believers everywhere. Exactly. We now have worldwide access to people’s lives and it would be a shame to not include them. Afterall even the irrational and superstitious like to have some recognition thrown their way. Even if it is mocking.
13 February 2009, on 1:41 pm
We now have worldwide access to people’s lives and it would be a shame to not include them. Afterall even the irrational and superstitious like to have some recognition thrown their way. Even if it is mocking.
Jimmer, you are right. Religious nuttery is everywhere and so many nutjobs to keep an eye on. We can’t just watch out for the ones in our own country, we have to watch out for all of them. On the fun side, they provide us with such an endless supply of bullshit to make fun of. At the same time, when we mock it isn’t only for simple enjoyment, as jaycubed stated above, but mock to promote how totally ridiculous these delusional morons are. The “let’s be friends” crap doesn’t work with fundies of all religions. We are infidels to them, and that is that.
13 February 2009, on 8:21 pm
“And if you read through the archives you will find that we mock Xians here on our own soil most of the time and no one complains that it is a waste of time to mock them.”
Stardust:
It is a waste of time if all you do is mock them. Religious nuts mock people like us all the time. Does it have any effect on you when you are mocked by someone who believes such idiocy as expressed by organized religions? I rather doubt it has much effect on you, I know it has none on me. So why do you think it will have any effect on them if we are the ones doing the mocking?
If you want to have any effect it is necessary to engage, to interact and to risk failure. I feel that aversion to accepting one’s own failures (to affect the silly ideas of Believers) is a powerful motivation to mock rather than engage. It is safe to mock.
As for mocking religious loons on the other side of the world, they don’t hear you since they aren’t able to hear, and any “message” or “mocking” you feel you are sending is not getting anywhere near the audience that should be reached.
This idea that, “We now have worldwide access to people’s lives and it would be a shame to not include them.” contains several fallacies. First, the vast majority of people on this world are in no way connected to this virtual/false world we create online. Second, many who are connected have very different ways of looking at the world than the rich first world citizens that we all are here (as deep poverty in countries like the U.S. would be considered luxury throughout most of the human experience and for the majority of people alive today.) Third, what an arrogant presumption that we know what is best for people we’ve never engaged with & do not understand. We don’t even bother asking (because we Know in the same way the Evangelicals Know that our way is better).
You are having no impact on the people who are actually being oppressed by these religious bigots merely by making fun of them, regardless of how satisfying it feels to mock their oppressors.
I’m reminded of the South Park episode where the Hippies take over the town and stage a big rock concert, “So we can make things change. Let them hear us in Washington!” They have no effect. They are self-stimulating for self-pleasure. They present their actions as “activism”, yet they act on nothing but themselves.
Again, there is nothing wrong with self-stimulating for self-pleasure or generally making fun of loonies: just don’t think it will provide any help to those oppressed by religious bigotry.
Mocking such fools in our own communities can have benefit, because it is easy to reach an audience that might be affected; that might look with clear eyes & minds if the foolishness of their leaders/ideas are exposed.
13 February 2009, on 9:40 pm
Mocking such fools on the interwebs is fun and reaches a larger audience. Who says we don’t quarrel with the believers in real life? I have people who get upset when I’m in the same room with them now for openly questioning their blind obedience. I can’t be out in public all the time, yet my desire to mock the faithful does not abate in private…..hmm. So I like coming over here with these like-minded folks. And I disagree that this has no benefit. A lot of people are truly ignorant of the depths of this type of nutbaggery. Sometimes humor is the only thing that will drive home a point.
13 February 2009, on 10:30 pm
If you want to have any effect it is necessary to engage, to interact and to risk failure.
Jaycubed, I have debates and quarrels with religious folks on a regular basis. Several in my own family are fundamentalist Xians. I am not an atheist who hides away. I have written articles for newspapers, I am a member of American’s United for Separation of Church and State and am not afraid to sign my real name to petitions, etc. Myself and others from my community are trying to get a “secular humanist” corner in our local paper in the same section as the “pastor’s corner”.
13 February 2009, on 10:46 pm
Jaycubed
You missed the context of my comment. I was Making light of why we comment and mock here about anything we choose to. As to your rebuttaal claiming “Arrogant Presumption”. You do yourself no favor making a rant about something that you inferred but that is completely lacking in the comment. Offhand I would say that you missed the point.
13 February 2009, on 11:54 pm
This is not true, jaycubed. You should see the hate crap that comes through here on occasion in our God Mail. And often come into our moderation queue. Everyone remember Watcher? He was quite creepy.
And also some of us who have personal blogs, we have had all sorts of trolls threatening us for dissing their imaginary friend. A couple people I know have had to take down their blogs and start new ones with a new name to get rid of them. The thing about the internet is that it reaches people all over the planet, and all kinds of religious folks.
And keeping to our own little communities is what is actually “being safe” because those are the least dangerous god botherers. By putting ourselves out there by writing posts to stir up the hornet’s next, (like making fun of Egyptian muslim clerics) actually brings attention to the dangerous religious nuttery of inbred god believers who wish to use their sky daddy fantasies to oppress and take away people’s basic human rights and freedoms.
So you are defending the religious fucktards who teach their children to strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up for Allah? Or those who fly planes into buildings killing thousands of people shouting Allah Akbar all the way? No, I do not understand this sort of lunacy, nor will I defend it. There are many areas of the world filled with poverty whose people do not go around blowing their children and others sky high because they believe their Sky Boss wants them to. Poverty is no excuse for killing and violence.
17 February 2009, on 2:36 pm
I hardly consider any of my comments here to be “Rants”.
As to getting hate-filled missives from the loons; as you point out, those loons are regulars, a small group of True Believers who post their bile over & over again. . . Masturbating on this site because they derive pleasure from their self-stimulation. Never making any real impact on others. You are not “reaching” the trolls, you merely give them an excuse/forum to spew. As for reaching a “larger audience”, reality is we all tend to preach to the choir or prod trolls rather than even seek a “larger audience”. (That’s risky because you might lose your safe audience.)
Trolls are locals. As the original point of this article concerns idiotic religious comments made by an Egyptian cleric and its impact,; I should again point out that the only impact that his comments have locally is to raise the indignation of people like us who abhore such idiocy. We are in no way personally oppressed by his comments or temporal power over those in his community. But those who actually live there & are actually oppressed by such nonsense are in no way helped by people mocking on the other side of the world.
The comment about “keeping to our own little communities” has no relation to my comment. I clearly am talking about the communities in which we live, and community includes everyone. That is the one place we can possibly have effect. . . here & now.
Where is there any sign in any of my comments that I am “defending the religious fucktards?” Such a comment is what I would expect from Bill O’ or Limbaugh; just making stuff up.
What I am pointing out that there is a huge amount of ignorance on our part regarding the reality of life in other cultures. We presume to know what is best for others. Perhaps we are right. But exactly the same could be said for the most oppressive regimes humans have created. They presumed to know what is best for others. Perhaps they are right.
When religious fanatics killed thousands by flying planes into buildings I asked myself, “Is there blood on my hands from this?” At first I didn’t think so, but as time went on & it became apparent that Al Qaeda was most likely responsible, the blood on my hands became apparent. I am an American citizen & taxpayer. I had a part in the creation of Al Qaeda during the Russia/Afghan war. While I opposed the policies of Reagan & protested against them, I still had some blood on my hands since my pennies paid for it. But it was just drops of blood.
The blood of the hundreds of thousands of people killed by the U.S. in my lifetime is also on my hands, despite my opposition to wars & pseudo-wars. It is on all of our hands regardless of our feelings about it.
So what do you think is the most effective way to keep blood off your hands? Jumping up & down about them on the other side of the world. Or jumping up & down here & now about what we ourselves are a part of & might possibly have a positive impact on.
(Yet) Again, there is nothing wrong with self-stimulating for self-pleasure or generally making fun of loonies: just don’t think it will provide any help to those oppressed by religious bigotry.
17 February 2009, on 3:25 pm
jaycubed, you can walk around feeling guilty about things that our government has done, but I’m not going to waste my life feeling guilty about something I have no control over. Angry, yes. But I don’t blame myself for the actions of my goverment who wields the power. And I do not think there is any excuse AT ALL for flying planes into buildings. NONE. There are many others on this planet who are oppressed, suffer in poverty, etc and do not teach their children to blow themselves up along with innocent people who are just out doing their errands, etc. Living life. They have no regard for even the life of their own people. That is despicable.
As for this site, you have no idea who we are, or what we do in our private lives. This site is sort of a “club” to come together with our regular friends, and we welcome new friends to a place where we can vent, and make fun, or whatever we choose. But to accuse us of doing nothing is absolutely false.
So, if you have no further point, the horse is dead. If you don’t like this club, and making fun or whatever, then why are you here? Only to criticize us? If so, isn’t that is sort of self-stimulation on your part?
17 February 2009, on 6:32 pm
Odd, I have been posting to this site for well over a year. It seems that doesn’t make me a part of your community. As a regular reader & poster on this site I think I do have some idea who we are. My posts also have regularly included criticism. They have also regularly included agreements & amplifications.
The reason why I post critical comments here (when necessary) is because I recognize the value of such sites to promote critical thinking. The idea, “God Is For Suckers”, is one I have promoted for decades. I do like this club. If I didn’t I wouldn’t bother being critical. It wouldn’t be worth the risk.
I do not “accuse us of doing nothing”. I do point out that some actions have no external benefit to people who are oppressed. I also offered suggestions for more effective application of our anger & disgust at religious idiocy.
As for this being self-stimulation, I am attempting to interact with people; people with whom I mostly agree with. I am attempting to impact them in a way that promotes the ideas & values expressed on this site.
(P.S.) I too see no excuse for flying planes into buildings (yet you twice imply that I do) and consider such people despicable. I also do not “walk around feeling guilty” because of the actions of my government. I act on what I can effectively act upon. But I don’t deny my piece of responsibility for what is done in my/our name. I also try not to get angry about things I can have no impact on. Righteous indignation without action is just more self-stimulation.
17 February 2009, on 8:42 pm
As for this being self-stimulation, I am attempting to interact with people; people with whom I mostly agree with.
That’s what we all pretty much do here. Attempting to interact with like-minded folks, like yourself. And I still do not believe I have any more guilt for the “crimes” of my government any more than the citizens of Iraq, for instance, have for the “crimes”s of their government. The common folks are the ones stuck in the middle. All we want to do is live our lives in peace. Those in power have different ideas and desires.
26 February 2009, on 12:42 pm
It pleases me to see this lunatic admit that the world is changing in ways he does not like.