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		<title>By: David J</title>
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		<dc:creator>David J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naomi, I agree with you. Not all conspiracies are tosh. I for one think that the Christian Church has had its hand in a lot of these throughout the centuries. And I would never, ever trust an &quot;official&quot; communication from anything that is even remotely or tacitly connected to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aipac&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AIPAC&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naomi, I agree with you. Not all conspiracies are tosh. I for one think that the Christian Church has had its hand in a lot of these throughout the centuries. And I would never, ever trust an &#8220;official&#8221; communication from anything that is even remotely or tacitly connected to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aipac" rel="nofollow">AIPAC</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/another_c_street_vet_falls_to_an_extramarital_affa.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Another C Street Vet Falls To An Extramarital Affair
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&lt;blockquote&gt;What&#039;s with this place?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry, I couldn&#039;t resist posting this. :lol:  &quot;Thou shalt run a brothel in my name.&quot; :evil:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!  <a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/another_c_street_vet_falls_to_an_extramarital_affa.php" rel="nofollow">Another C Street Vet Falls To An Extramarital Affair<br />
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<blockquote><p>What&#8217;s with this place?</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, I couldn&#8217;t resist posting this. <img src='http://gods4suckers.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   &#8220;Thou shalt run a brothel in my name.&#8221; <img src='http://gods4suckers.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif' alt=':evil:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Naomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, David J, for that reminder.  And, lest we forget, our Pentagon still fosters &quot;research&quot; into many weird/darkside ventures, such as &quot;remote viewing&quot;.  After many years and millions of dollars, they pulled the plug on that nonsense.  They had hoped to find people with the ability to &quot;see&quot; who could also be trained to &quot;do things&quot; from a safe place.  They give &quot;nuts&quot; a bad name!  Now, the RVs are stars on CrackpotCentral, hosted by Art Bell and George Nouri.

But, I digress...

And a hearty hello to you, too, ChuckA!  RoadWarrior is a little over-the-top, since our trucks have been turned down to 63mph.  We&#039;ve now achieved &quot;Camp Follower&quot; status, although so many other companies have turned their trucks down, too, that we&#039;ve become a huge clot in our interstate-arterial-system.

Oh, man, more digressing...sorry, KA.

I only made it halfway through &quot;Jesus plus nothing&quot;.  Reading about the octopus arms reaching into the governments of dictators made me take a break that I&#039;ve never returned from.  Religion brings out the &quot;spooky&quot; in many people.  But an opus-dei-like network in place across the world is something my mind recognizes as pure evil.

And just because &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; conspiracy-theories have been debunked does not mean that &lt;strong&gt;ALL&lt;/strong&gt; are.

Machiavelli, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David J, for that reminder.  And, lest we forget, our Pentagon still fosters &#8220;research&#8221; into many weird/darkside ventures, such as &#8220;remote viewing&#8221;.  After many years and millions of dollars, they pulled the plug on that nonsense.  They had hoped to find people with the ability to &#8220;see&#8221; who could also be trained to &#8220;do things&#8221; from a safe place.  They give &#8220;nuts&#8221; a bad name!  Now, the RVs are stars on CrackpotCentral, hosted by Art Bell and George Nouri.</p>
<p>But, I digress&#8230;</p>
<p>And a hearty hello to you, too, ChuckA!  RoadWarrior is a little over-the-top, since our trucks have been turned down to 63mph.  We&#8217;ve now achieved &#8220;Camp Follower&#8221; status, although so many other companies have turned their trucks down, too, that we&#8217;ve become a huge clot in our interstate-arterial-system.</p>
<p>Oh, man, more digressing&#8230;sorry, KA.</p>
<p>I only made it halfway through &#8220;Jesus plus nothing&#8221;.  Reading about the octopus arms reaching into the governments of dictators made me take a break that I&#8217;ve never returned from.  Religion brings out the &#8220;spooky&#8221; in many people.  But an opus-dei-like network in place across the world is something my mind recognizes as pure evil.</p>
<p>And just because <em>some</em> conspiracy-theories have been debunked does not mean that <strong>ALL</strong> are.</p>
<p>Machiavelli, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: David J</title>
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		<dc:creator>David J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;starts to make some of those Conspiracy fanatics sound…What!…sane?&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not a hard-core conspiracy theorist, but I have often thought to myself that for one to assume history has transpired without any conspiracy is utterly naive. Like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this shit&lt;/a&gt; for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>starts to make some of those Conspiracy fanatics sound…What!…sane?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a hard-core conspiracy theorist, but I have often thought to myself that for one to assume history has transpired without any conspiracy is utterly naive. Like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods" rel="nofollow">this shit</a> for example.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChuckA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Naomi, thanks for that linked, Jeff Sharlet, article.
That &quot;stuff&quot; should be brought out again...or would it REALLY be for the 1st time?...on CNN etc., considering the very recent News about some of our &quot;Family Values&quot; Senator MFs.
Talk about some creepy shit! Rachel Maddow has been featuring another expose of &quot;The Family&quot; fucktard story...under the &quot;C Street&quot; moniker... on some segments. (&quot;YAY, Rachel!&quot;) In fact the GOP is &quot;after her&quot; on that.
What!...&quot;WAMP-omp-aloo-bomp!&quot;?
Here&#039;s the latest story link on Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/rachel-maddow-draws-fire_n_231538.html

Watching the amazingly cool, and highly intelligent, Sonia Sotomayor get drilled from some of the dumbest Repig asshole idiots, and knowing, all the while, that our Government is STILL literally RIDDLED with complete fucktards like Ensign, etc. is enough to make one literally puke.

Just thinking about what&#039;s gone on since both Bush retards...WAIT!...make that Reagan...Carter?...(fill in the blank?)...and all the fundie-fuck minions, with their moronically insane and totally asinine &quot;Prayer Breakfast&quot; bullshit; not to mention little things like...oh-I-dunno...9/11 (under their &quot;watch&quot;), all the Wars, yada-yada...starts to make some of those Conspiracy fanatics sound...What!...sane?
AARGH!!!
By the way, Naomi...may I extend a friendly HI!?..
It&#039;s always good to hear from you...you...ummm...
&quot;Road Warrior&quot;?  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Naomi, thanks for that linked, Jeff Sharlet, article.<br />
That &#8220;stuff&#8221; should be brought out again&#8230;or would it REALLY be for the 1st time?&#8230;on CNN etc., considering the very recent News about some of our &#8220;Family Values&#8221; Senator MFs.<br />
Talk about some creepy shit! Rachel Maddow has been featuring another expose of &#8220;The Family&#8221; fucktard story&#8230;under the &#8220;C Street&#8221; moniker&#8230; on some segments. (&#8221;YAY, Rachel!&#8221;) In fact the GOP is &#8220;after her&#8221; on that.<br />
What!&#8230;&#8221;WAMP-omp-aloo-bomp!&#8221;?<br />
Here&#8217;s the latest story link on Huffington Post:<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/rachel-maddow-draws-fire_n_231538.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/rachel-maddow-draws-fire_n_231538.html</a></p>
<p>Watching the amazingly cool, and highly intelligent, Sonia Sotomayor get drilled from some of the dumbest Repig asshole idiots, and knowing, all the while, that our Government is STILL literally RIDDLED with complete fucktards like Ensign, etc. is enough to make one literally puke.</p>
<p>Just thinking about what&#8217;s gone on since both Bush retards&#8230;WAIT!&#8230;make that Reagan&#8230;Carter?&#8230;(fill in the blank?)&#8230;and all the fundie-fuck minions, with their moronically insane and totally asinine &#8220;Prayer Breakfast&#8221; bullshit; not to mention little things like&#8230;oh-I-dunno&#8230;9/11 (under their &#8220;watch&#8221;), all the Wars, yada-yada&#8230;starts to make some of those Conspiracy fanatics sound&#8230;What!&#8230;sane?<br />
AARGH!!!<br />
By the way, Naomi&#8230;may I extend a friendly HI!?..<br />
It&#8217;s always good to hear from you&#8230;you&#8230;ummm&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Road Warrior&#8221;?  <img src='http://gods4suckers.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Naomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this what the church marquee meant when it said:  &quot;The Bible -- so easy, a child can understand it; so complex, scholars are still debating it&quot;...

To muddy further the turgid waters that we can now easily walk upon it ourselves, how about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jesus plus nothing:&lt;/strong&gt;  Undercover among America&#039;s secret theocrats&lt;/a&gt;, by Jeff Sharlet (published in Harper&#039;s in 2003)?  The &quot;nothing&quot; he references is so toxically powerful, we could be sitting on a ticking time bomb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this what the church marquee meant when it said:  &#8220;The Bible &#8212; so easy, a child can understand it; so complex, scholars are still debating it&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>To muddy further the turgid waters that we can now easily walk upon it ourselves, how about <a href="http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525" rel="nofollow"><strong>Jesus plus nothing:</strong>  Undercover among America&#8217;s secret theocrats</a>, by Jeff Sharlet (published in Harper&#8217;s in 2003)?  The &#8220;nothing&#8221; he references is so toxically powerful, we could be sitting on a ticking time bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: David J</title>
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		<dc:creator>David J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChuckA, horeshit smells worse than bullshit. I&#039;ve smelled both. Especially if the horse is eating too much green grass.

This sort of thing is not the exception, it&#039;s the rule. Christian theologians have jobs by making what was once a simple thing into the complex. This &quot;emptiness&quot; concept is one of those things from the Bible that doesn&#039;t have much explanation, and historians and grammarians have a tough time finding places where this concept is used elsewhere to illumine what the Phillippians passage says. So, since proper exegesis is a dead end, enter eisegetical babble and voila, 30 more post-grad students have something to write their dissertations on, and people the likes of NT Wright can now publish 1,000 page books attempting to explain the concept.

Also, having been a graduate Biblical studies student at a seminary in a former life, anytime - and I mean ANYTIME - an author uses a Strong&#039;s Concordance to define an ancient word for you, that person does not know his/her biblical languages well enough to do the gruntwork him/herself. Back in seminary we used to call it the &quot;Wrong&#039;s Concordance&quot; because it over-simplifies to the point of error. That&#039;s when I knew what you were quoting was mainstream Xian bullshit and not something academic. I will at least give the academics a chance to make their point, but if one uses a Strong&#039;s Concordance to define a word and then hangs the entire dissertation/book or whatever on that concept or an attempt to explain it is naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChuckA, horeshit smells worse than bullshit. I&#8217;ve smelled both. Especially if the horse is eating too much green grass.</p>
<p>This sort of thing is not the exception, it&#8217;s the rule. Christian theologians have jobs by making what was once a simple thing into the complex. This &#8220;emptiness&#8221; concept is one of those things from the Bible that doesn&#8217;t have much explanation, and historians and grammarians have a tough time finding places where this concept is used elsewhere to illumine what the Phillippians passage says. So, since proper exegesis is a dead end, enter eisegetical babble and voila, 30 more post-grad students have something to write their dissertations on, and people the likes of NT Wright can now publish 1,000 page books attempting to explain the concept.</p>
<p>Also, having been a graduate Biblical studies student at a seminary in a former life, anytime &#8211; and I mean ANYTIME &#8211; an author uses a Strong&#8217;s Concordance to define an ancient word for you, that person does not know his/her biblical languages well enough to do the gruntwork him/herself. Back in seminary we used to call it the &#8220;Wrong&#8217;s Concordance&#8221; because it over-simplifies to the point of error. That&#8217;s when I knew what you were quoting was mainstream Xian bullshit and not something academic. I will at least give the academics a chance to make their point, but if one uses a Strong&#8217;s Concordance to define a word and then hangs the entire dissertation/book or whatever on that concept or an attempt to explain it is naive.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChuckA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^Correction...I guess YOU&#039;RE not alone. 
[It&#039;s Sunday; for some reason, my brain is sluggish!  ;) ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^Correction&#8230;I guess YOU&#8217;RE not alone.<br />
[It's Sunday; for some reason, my brain is sluggish!  <img src='http://gods4suckers.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ]</p>
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