Dumb Like Me: The Abdication of Knowledge and Reason in America
17 May 2010 by Ray Garton
“What the American public doesn’t know is what makes them the American Public.”
– Zalinksy (Dan Aykroyd) in Tommy Boy
“Ha-ha-ha! You said ‘nuclear.’ It’s ‘nucular,’ dummy. The ‘s’ is silent.” – Peter Griffin in Family Guy
“The information of the people at large can alone make them the safe as they are the sole depositary of our political and religious freedom.”
Those are the words of Thomas Jefferson. He knew a thing or two about what makes this country work, and he repeated one of those things over and over and over. He says it again here:
“Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree.”
And again here:
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
If Jefferson were alive today, I think he would quickly come to one unavoidable conclusion: We have a problem. A big problem.
The word “elite” is thrown around a lot these days. It is used sneeringly, with disdain. A significant portion of the American population uses the word “elite” to indicate that a person or group is pompous, arrogant, overeducated, and most importantly, wrong. It is a derogatory term meant to disparage its target.
Here’s how Merriam-Webster defines “elite”: “The choice part; cream; the best of a class.”
Here is Sarah Palin talking with Brian Williams on NBC News and giving her definition of “elite”: “Oh, I guess just people who think they’re better than anyone else.”
According to Merriam-Webster, “elite” describes someone who excels, someone who is the best at what they do. According to Sarah Palin, “elite” describes … what? People who disagree with her? People who criticize her? From the sound of it, Palin wants you to think that the elite – the people who have worked hard to excel in their field – think they’re better than you. In other words, people who are smarter than you should not be trusted because you have all you need to know as long as you … I don’t know, watch Fox News and read your bible? Actually, it doesn’t matter what Palin’s definition means – what matters is that it resonates with her target audience, with her base. Who are they? Well, they’re people who like the sound of Sarah Palin’s definition of “elite.” It rings true to them – He’s really good at something? Really smart? Then he thinks he’s better than me!
Never mind that her definition has absolutely nothing to do with the word’s actual meaning. Her definition – which she is far from alone in applying to the word – transforms “elite” into a label for people who are … well, knowledgeable; people who tend to point out inconsistencies of logic; people who are prone to be articulate and well-spoken. Palin herself is none of those things. Neither are most of the people who make up her base. Those who are those things are considered suspect by Palin and her many admirers. They are not to be trusted. Their knowledge and abilities are really nothing more than arrogance. They are rejected, mocked and smeared. And keep in mind that Sarah Palin was the Republican vice presidential candidate in the election of 2008. Keep in mind that she fills auditoriums when she speaks. Keep in mind that Palin’s book Going Rogue sold 300,000 copies it’s first day. None of those things would be true if Sarah Palin were alone in the opinions she holds.
George W. Bush, the 43rd president of the United States of America, said, “Well, the jury is still out on evolution, you know.” He also said, “The bird flu virus could evolve to a form that can be spread easily from human to human.”
In a 2007 debate of Republican presidential candidates, the following question was asked: “Do you believe in evolution?” Three candidates – Senator Sam Brownback, Governor Mike Huckabee and Representative Tom Tancredo – said they did not. Those three men were not elected to their offices in a vacuum. They have a lot of like-minded supporters.
According to a Gallup Poll, fully one third of all Americans believe that every word of the bible is literally true and accurate. That means they believe, among other things, that animals may talk, that a bush can burn without being consumed by the flames, that the sun can be stopped in the sky during its rotation of the earth, that eight people repopulated the entire planet after a global flood, that it’s sometimes okay for a man to have sex with and impregnate his own daughters, that a woman can get pregnant and have a child while still remaining a virgin, and that people sometimes come back from the dead and live and function as they did before dying. This requires them to reject science whenever it contradicts these beliefs. It also requires them to reject anyone who does not share these beliefs. Don’t believe me? Watch this political campaign advertisement.
That campaign ad pointed out that Bradley Byrne does not hold the beliefs listed above, but does accept the scientific theory of evolution and does not think that every word of the bible is literally true and accurate – and it pointed all of that out in an effort to discredit him.
America’s founding fathers repeatedly made clear their conviction that America was a secular nation that neither endorses nor enforces any religion, but allows all religions, or no religion. The evidence of this is abundant. There’s George Washington’s letter to Touro Synagogue in Newport, Rhode Island, in which he wrote, “For happily the government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.” There’s the Treaty of Tripoli, endorsed by Washington and ratified by John Adams, which states without ambiguity, “The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian religion.” There’s the Constitution of the United States, in which the only time religion of any kind is mentioned is to prohibit it from government. There is more, too, plenty more.
Despite the abundant evidence that they are flat wrong, a hefty segment of the American population shares Sarah Palin’s opinion in the video linked above that America is “a Christian nation” that merely “tolerates” other faiths out of the goodness of its heart and views these other faiths as inferior. These people will passionately argue that America was founded on Christian principles by Christian people so Christians can live here in a nation of Jesus-loving Christianity, that the United States is the nation that Jesus built. I was recently in an argument about this with just such a Christian, and when I pointed out that nowhere does the Constitution mention god or Jesus Christ, he said, “Yes it does! The Constitution is dated this way: ‘In the Year of Our Lord!’ And our lord is Jesus Christ, the son of god!”
Are you beginning to see why “elite” has become such a dirty word in America? It has replaced the once popularly maligned word “intellectual” – because, one might presume, it is shorter and easier to spell. Intellectuals are usually the early targets of any dictatorship as it comes into power (it seems dictators don’t like the “elite” any more than Sarah Palin and her fans). Why kill them? Noam Chomsky answers that question: “Intellectuals are in a position to expose the lies of governments, to analyze actions according to their causes and motives and often hidden intentions.”
Those damned pesky elite intellectuals – always asking questions, and worse yet, often answering them! They’re so troublesome and annoying to corrupt leaders who don’t like it when their actions are criticized or their motives questioned.
In an interview with Cincinnati Magazine, musician, writer, poet, actor, talk show host and punk rock legend Henry Rollins put it well:
How can you argue with someone who applauds when Sarah Palin says we need a real commander-in-chief, not some scholar? Oh, I see, we don’t like intellectuals. We don’t want a smart guy as president because he won’t start a war with Iran. We like the dumb guy better, who couldn’t pronounce any leader’s name and couldn’t find a country on a map; who struggled with the English language like a guy trying to hold on to a live eel. Yeah, that’s, you know, the coarsening of the intellect. Who feared smart people? Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Putin … interesting. And Palin. And her flock. “I like Sarah because she’s like me and she’s a good person.” Well, what about her policies? “Oh, I don’t know about them, but she’s a good person and that’s why she should be president.”
Of course, here in America, we can’t go around killing intellectuals the way Hitler, Mao and Stalin did … can we? No, not really. It wouldn’t look good. It would be all over the news, Oprah would disapprove, and the media might even make a “reality” TV show about it.
Of course, just because we can’t kill them doesn’t mean we can’t assassinate them in the arena of public opinion. Listen to right-wing radio talk show host Michael Savage on any day of the week and you will hear him venomously refer to President Obama as, “That university professor!” As if it’s an epithet on a par with calling him the N-word. Listen to any of the right-wing radio talkers and you will see how contemptuous they are of well-educated people who’ve devoted their lives to a particular field. Former Saturday Night Live cast member Dennis Miller, once one of America’s wittiest, most intelligent and acerbic comedians, whose material was peppered with a wide variety of intellectually challenging references that ran the gamut of art, science, pop culture, and history, now hosts a right-wing radio talk show on which he says, multiple times every day, “I’m not much for no fancy book-learnin’.”
But if you think this rejection of intelligence, knowledge and excellence happens only on the right, you’re mistaken. This past week, movie actor and vocal leftist John Cusack (whom I follow on Twitter) posted this message (I am reproducing it here exactly as he wrote it):
hope we can believe in– ban the ivy league! i kid but not really… lets see what happens when the” best and brightest” dont rule–
Let me repeat that last part again: “Let’s see what happens when the ‘best and brightest’ don’t rule.” Yes, let’s shove the best and brightest aside and go down the ladder a ways to find our leaders. Maybe this country would be better off if we put it in the hands of people with no historical frame of reference, people who don’t reach decisions through critical thought and reasoning but rather according to their religious beliefs and ancient religious texts written thousands of years ago by ignorant, superstitious men. How would that be, huh? Can you imagine a time when that’s the kind of thinking we use to choose our leaders?
Oh, wait … we’re already there. Are you scared yet?
In 2008, Susan Jacoby was interviewed by Truthout.org. Jacoby was a reporter for the Washington Post and the program director of the Center for Inquiry in New York City. She is now the author of several books, including The Age of American Unreason. She discussed the common attitude toward knowledge, intelligence and excellence in America and gave the following example of this phenomenon on the left side of the aisle:
At the end of the primaries, both Hillary Clinton and John McCain endorsed a gas tax holiday for Americans this summer. Every economist, both liberal and conservative, said this would do nothing to help matters. And when Hillary Clinton was asked by the late Tim Russert, “Can you produce one economist to support the gas tax holiday?” she said, “Oh that’s elite thinking.”
Now to say that economists have nothing intelligent to say about whether a gas tax will give people economic relief is like saying that you don’t ask musicians about music; you don’t ask scientists about science. It’s not just an attack on a political idea; it’s an attack on knowledge itself. … Of course, she doesn’t believe it for a minute. It shows that a lot of politicians think they have to play to ignorance and label anything that goes against received opinion as elitism.
We live in a country in which many brilliant, well-educated people feel they have to play dumb in order to get elected. They feel the need to pander to the most ignorant among us to get votes, to throw their own knowledge and intelligence out the window and say things they don’t really mean or believe in order to get votes. And do you know why they do it? Because it works.
In the same interview, Jacoby gives another example of the frightening way knowledge has been rejected and ignorance embraced:
I’ll give you an example of how stupid this country has become. I’m one of the village atheists on Faith, a panel sponsored by the Washington Post and Newsweek. In a recent post I wrote that when I was 7 years old, I was taken by my mom to visit a friend who had been stricken by polio and was in an iron lung. Polio has basically been eradicated, but I grew up when polio was still a real threat to children, before the Salk vaccine. This childhood friend had been playing and running only three weeks before, and now he was in an iron lung. And I asked my mom, “Why would God let something like that happen?” And to her credit, instead of giving me some moronic answer, my mother said, “I don’t know.”
After posting this on Faith, I received an e-mail saying, “All childhood memories are unreliable. We construct narratives to justify what we now think.”
Of course it would be stupid if I’d said I became an atheist at the age of 7. But I hadn’t said that, only that I remembered this childhood experience as making me begin to question what I’d been taught. The whole tone of the e-mail was that nobody’s memory about anything could possibly be accurate – no fact could possibly be true.
… One of the points I make in my book is that unreason pervades our culture. It’s not just a matter of right-wing religious fundamentalism. There are all kinds of unreason and suspicion of evidence on both the Right and the Left.
We often hear about the vast promise of technology to educate and enlighten us, to put oceans of information at our very fingertips. But how can all that information be useful … if we have no frame of reference to apply to it? Susan Jacoby again:
In my talks to people, I often mention a statistic from the National Constitution Center that almost half of Americans can’t name even one of the rights guaranteed by the First Amendment. A student stood up at a university in California and said, “That doesn’t matter because you can just look it up on the Internet.” But if you don’t know what the First Amendment is in the first place, you don’t know what question to ask the Web. Garbage in, garbage out. The Web’s only as good as our ability to ask questions of it. The ability to access information means nothing if you don’t have an educated framework of knowledge to fit it into.
But aren’t we at least smart enough to know that we don’t know a lot? How could we possibly get ourselves into this situation? Susan Jacoby says:
A fundamentalist is one who believes in a literal interpretation of sacred books, and a third of Americans believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. That’s about 10 times more than any other developed country in the world. It’s entirely possible to be a religious believer and to accept science, but not if you’re a literal religious believer. You can’t believe that the world was literally created in six days, and be open to modern knowledge.
There’s also something else: We’ve always had more faith in technology than other countries. One of our problems with computers is that we believe in technological solutions to what are essentially non-technological problems. Not knowing is a non-technological problem. The idea that the Web is an answer to knowing nothing is wrong, but it’s something that Americans – with our history of believing in technology as the solution to everything – are particularly susceptible to.
Why is it that such a large percentage of the Americans read every word of the bible literally? Jacoby again.
That’s in my previous book, Freethinkers. One reason, oddly enough, is our absolute separation of church and state. In secular Europe – as it’s often called sneeringly by people like Justice Antonin Scalia – religious belief and belief in political systems were united. So if you opposed the government, you also had to oppose religion. That wasn’t true in America because we had separation of church and state. Many forms of religious belief survived in America, because you could believe anything you wanted and still not be opposed to your government.
The freedom of religion in America gives us more freedom, it’s true – but it also gives us more religion, and that freedom provides no balance whatsoever. People are free to believe whatever idiotic nonsense happens to appeal to them – and they do. But shouldn’t education provide a balance for this? Sure, our educational system is a bit problematic these days, but it’s still the best in the world, because America is number one – right? Jacoby says:
… Americans are unwilling to look at how really bad our educational system is because we’ve all been propagandized with the idea that we’re number one. That may have been true after World War II, but not anymore. The idea that we’re number one and special and better than everybody else is a very powerful factor in American life, and it prevents us from examining certain respects in which we’re not number one.
Is Jacoby exaggerating? Is the educational system really that bad? After all, America is number one … right? Well, let’s see. According to the December 12, 2004 issue of the New York Times, the United States ranks 49th in the world in literacy, 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy and American workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that businesses in the U.S. spend $30 billion a year on remedial training. According to the January 7, 2005 issue of The Week, 20% of all Americans think the sun orbits the earth, and 17% believe the earth orbits the sun once every day. On page 78 of Jeremy Rifkin’s book The European Dream: How Europe’s Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, he notes that the International Adult Literacy Survey found “that Americans with less than nine years of education ’score worse than virtually all of the other countries.’”
If you don’t believe any of this and think I’m exaggerated or my information is incorrect, please watch this video, which is a few years old, but still quite relevant. And be afraid. Be very afraid.
From the time that I was a boy, I watched my father retreat from the world because the world refused to conform to his opinions and beliefs. When he was in the sixth grade, his teacher wanted him to give an oral book report in front of the class. He didn’t want to. The teacher insisted. So Dad threw a tantrum, walked away from school halfway through the sixth grade with his signature I’ll show them attitude and never looked back. He went through life with that same attitude, and the older he got, the angrier he got, because he found that his attitude was not well received. When I was a child, he used to come home from work angry every day – everyone else was stupid, everyone was out to get him, everyone else was to blame for all of his problems. After having back surgery, he applied for disability and got it. He wasn’t disabled – he did plenty of hard work around the house – but he no longer had to face a world of people who knew more than he, who thought more clearly than he, who refused to tell him he was right about everything when he was right about virtually nothing, and who refused to tolerate his tantrums when this fact became clear. He continued to retreat from the world until he almost never left the house, even to go to church (he was quite religious and was fond of wildly misquoting the bible he never read). The excuse he invented was, “I don’t like being around crowds. It’s my nerves.” My mother played along. The little house in which they lived became his entire world, and in that world, he knew everything, he was always right, and everyone else was crazy and ignorant and full of crap on every conceivable topic. And if you didn’t believe him, just ask Mom. She would nod and smile and say, “That’s what Dad has always said.” As if always saying it makes it right.
If you had a discussion with him about anything and you happened to disagree with him, you didn’t simply hold a differing opinion – you were saying that he was wrong. Opinions weren’t just opinions to him because in any conversation, someone had to be right and someone had to be wrong – and he had to be right. As a result, he walked away from every conversation by angrily snarling his favorite words: “I know what I know!”
Dad used to pronounce the word “realty” as “reality.” This drove me crazy. Finally, I pointed out to him that he was mispronouncing the word. “Realty refers to the sale of real estate,” I said. “Reality is a different word and has an entirely different meaning.”
“But I’ve always pronounced it ‘reality,’” he said. My family was big on the idea that repeating something a lot made it true.
“I know you have, but it’s always been wrong.”
“Well, I prefer to say it my way,” he said.
“Then no one will know what you’re talking about, Dad.”
“That’s their problem.”
I wanted to say, No, Dad, that’s your problem, but I said nothing, and if you’d known my dad, you would know why.
Life in America is starting to bear a terrifying resemblance to life with my parents. I’m 47 years old, have been married to my wife for 20 years, and yet it seems that, with increasing frequency, when I engage others in conversation on topical subjects, I feel like a little boy again trying to have a conversation with my father. This is due, I think, to a combination of phenomena that have created a perfect storm of willful ignorance in America.
Fully one third of the population believes in the infallible accuracy of a book that claims it’s okay to abuse or even kill your children, that seas part so people can walk across them, that women are unclean during their menstrual cycle and everything they touch during that time must be burned, that virgins have babies and people rise from the dead. These people in turn reject any scientific information – sometimes even evidence that is right in front of them – that contradicts this book. And let’s face it, folks – if you believe all that not only without a speck of evidence to support it but in the face of hard, cold proof to the contrary, then there is no limit on what you will believe.
We live in an era that is bloated with information. Once upon a time, there were only three, four, maybe five television channels available to most people. Now there are hundreds. News channels now have 24 hours to fill every day, which has made everything “news” – the latest celebutard drug overdose, political sex scandals, missing puppies and updates on American Idol contestants are now given the attention and significance once reserved for national policy decisions, wars and natural disasters. “Reality” TV has invaded every area of television – the major networks, MTV, cooking channels, it’s everywhere – presenting as “reality” the very worst elements of humanity. Selfish, arrogant, angry, deceptive, promiscuous, ignorant, small-minded people get their own TV shows today and are held up as celebrities, and people tune in to follow their exploits. They’re soon popping up on shows other than their own – talk shows, panel shows, “news” shows, and in magazines where they pose for glossy, glamorous photo shoots. They become the topic of watercooler coversations in workplaces around the country. These people – the stars of “reality” TV shows who have, as a result, become TV stars, celebrities, and the subject of stories that pass for “news” these days – have rapidly become cultural touchstones for us.
On top of that, our culture has become dominated by things like Twitter, Facebook and cell phone texting, all of which have positive aspects. But a significant portion of our population has come to believe that it’s very important that everyone know exactly what we’re doing at every moment and that we share every little thought that pops into our heads. It has given us a sense of self-importance we did not have before, the feeling that the minutiae of our lives is somehow special and of great interest to others. Hey, if those unpleasant, obnoxious, proudly stupid people on The Jersey Shore can have their own TV show, then I can be a celebrity, too, right? We have become celebrities in our own minds, filled with a false sense of our own importance.
Add to all of the above another factor, one that perhaps does the most damage. Just as wealthy, pampered celebrities tend to surround themselves with “yes men” who tell those celebrities only what they want to hear, it is now possible for us to structure our own personal lives to confirm only those things we believe about ourselves and our world. You’re a Christian conservative who believes that America is a Christian nation founded on Christian principles to be ruled by Christians? Then watch Fox News and CBN and listen to Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage and Laura Ingraham and go online and read Newsmax and WorldNetDaily (both of which have a long history of outright lies). You believe that the scientific theory of evolution is a lie and the world was created in six days by a silent, invisible god? Well, there are plenty of well-funded organizations that agree with you and are working hard to spread the word that your belief has scientific support and is being unfairly rejected by the American educational system in favor of its wicked, godless teachings. In no time at all, you will be absolutely convinced that you are right about everything! You don’t even have to listen to anything that disagrees with you! After all, you have TV shows and reporters and news websites and celebrities and shiny organizations to back up everything you believe. Suddenly, all those who disagree with you become the “elite” – people who think they’re better than you, people who think they know more than you. What more do you need to know other than the fact that you’re right!
Now, ignorance and stupidity are not only allowed, they are actively encouraged and nurtured!
During the eight years that George W. Bush was president, I nearly pulled my hair out every time I heard him speak. Whenever he opened his mouth and words came out, he butchered the language, said appallingly ignorant things, and made it very clear that he just wasn’t thinking clearly, as if all the wrong synapses were firing at all the wrong times (“Is our children learning?” … “You need to put food on your family.” … “The jury is still out on evolution.”) Whenever I openly complained about this, it seemed there was always someone who spoke up and said some variation of the following: “Leave him alone! At least he’s not one of those people who says everything exactly right all the time, like he’s better than everybody else, like knows more than everybody else! He talks like a normal person! He talks like me!”
Every time they said that, what I heard them saying inside my head was, I like him because he’s dumb like me! I heard my father saying, I know what I know! I heard him saying, That’s their problem.
No. It’s our problem. It’s the entire country’s problem. And it’s a problem that is rapidly getting worse, metastasizing like a cancer. Thomas Jefferson was right – the functional operation of this country as it was conceived by the founders is absolutely dependent on an informed electorate, on reasoning and informed intelligence. All of that is disintegrating right before our very eyes.
Don’t wait for the educational system to fix this. Don’t wait for the government to correct it. It will only get worse unless we start doing something about it ourselves, individually, one at a time. Educate yourself and stay informed. Think – and think critically. Turn off the television and radio and stop listening to the many talking heads who want to do your thinking for you. Go to the library or a book store, do some reading. Seek out information and opinions that challenge you and will keep you from saying, I know what I know. Examine each issue thoughtfully, using reason as your guide, not devotion to a religious belief or allegiance to a political party or the popular opinions of our time. Keep in mind that the majority opinion is seldom the right one – that the majority once wanted black people and women to remain second class citizens without voices or rights. Arm yourself with the facts, then speak up when you hear those facts being trampled or twisted. Don’t remain silent in the face of willful ignorance and disinformation. Point it out, correct it, and then denounce it. If we don’t do that with frequency and conviction, we will find ourselves traveling backward in time with terrifying speed, and we will land in a place ruled by ignorance, superstition and anger. We’re halfway there right now. In that place, there will be no freedom, no individuality, no thinking. There will only be the constant repetition of the words, I know what I know … even if what is known is nothing at all.

17 May 2010, on 4:14 pm
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17 May 2010, on 4:30 pm
Thanks for this, Mr. Garton. It is articulate (as always), persuasive, balanced, well-documented and best of all, it offers a prescription for action for those who are concerned about the race to the bottom in many segments of our social and political life as a nation. The prescription is simply that we start speaking up, too. Not letting inaccuracies go unchallenged, not allowing intelligence and critical thinking to be disparaged without back-talk. This is something every one of us can do, and I accept your challenge to do more of it, myself. Opinion can be changed when people speak up forcefully and armed with the facts as you have done here. I thank you for the time you took away from your successful career of writing over sixty books and novels in order to make this call for action. That was a sacrifice in a very good cause, and one that we all can start matching.
17 May 2010, on 5:44 pm
A totally excellent Post, Ray.
“Erm…thanks a lot…I think!”
Unfortunately, after reading all that (and wanting, literally, to punch both fucktards Sarah Palin and O’Reilly right through the screen) my invisible fear gauge…ala “Spinal Tap”?… went up to 12, and beyond.
If it wasn’t already; it’s now most probably terminally broken.
For one thing, to this old lifetime professional singer/musician, Palin’s ultra-shrill voice has the effect on my ears like the old fingernails scratching down on a blackboard; and intellectually, (ditto for O’Reilly) something akin to this:
http://9gag.com/photo/18356_full.jpg
Or, at least, this:
http://gadgetsteria.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/facepalm1.jpg
All depending on how long I can endure without gettin up from the computer…
and heading for the toilet (or just staying put, and barfing in my mouth?)
And, as Steven says, above…speaking out is something we should ALL do…more often; whenever possible.
17 May 2010, on 6:09 pm
Also, if I might make a note…tangential to anyone interested in writing…
here’s the link to a recent C-Span video of Christopher Hitchens’ “Freedom to Write Lecture”; which was broadcast yesterday on BookTV. It was recorded on 5/2/10)
Here’s the C-Span summary description:
“Author Christopher Hitchens delivers the 2010 PEN World Voices Festival’s Arthur Miller Freedom to Write Lecture. The lecture is titled “Crucibles: Past and Present.” A conversation between Mr. Hitchens and author Salman Rushdie, chair of the PEN World Voices Festival, follows the lecture.”
[Length: 1 hour, 24 minutes]
The link:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/293452-1
Hitch covers quite a bit of territory; touching as well on the Danish cartoon controversy (one of which Stardust used in a recent Post); and Rushdie also adds some rather relevant and, I think, significant comments in the post-lecture conversation and brief Q&A addendum.
17 May 2010, on 9:44 pm
Excellent post, Ray.
I’m happy to say that I have been following this prescription for quite some time. I have cable internet, but not television, because I don’t want to rot my brain. And every time I hear someone spouting something I know is wrong, I call them on it. I didn’t always do this, but I do now. I encourage everyone to do so.
The only way we can stop the spread of ignorance is to mock it. If someone says something stupid, they need to be told in no uncertain terms that it is stupid, and that they are wrong.
18 May 2010, on 6:16 am
The apocalyptic end result of current American thinking leads me to remember a (poor) film called Idiocracy. America became a country of really stupid people because the stupid reproduced at a greater rate than the intelligent. Ignoring the implied genetic component of intelligence, it does seem that acting stupid (if not actually being stupid) appears to be the best way to get ahead in any public office.
As for America being number 1, I really don’t think it will hit home until another country (China) surpasses America’s economic might. But then they may cling onto being the number one in military force… I think Bill Maher summed it up best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcz_NHAFGS0
I can’t wait until these people stop wanting elite doctors when ill or elite lawyers when they’re caught doing something illegal.
Which reminds me, the right wing are very proud of their elite armed services. How come it’s okay to be elite in the military but not in politics?
18 May 2010, on 6:44 am
Ray
Great post
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First is the MIT share of their courses which are free online to download. HERE
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And then I have a few sites which require payment yet still are inexpensive and utilize the internet for what many of us hope it would be. Rapid Learning is a Math, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics programs site and each course is about $100
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Last but not least is an online University that is inexpensive. For about $3,000 you can take as many courses as you can complete in 6 months. It’s Western Governors University and is all online with support staff and online instructors.
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18 May 2010, on 7:43 am
An essay that can be applied to almost every country in the world. Thank you for this.
18 May 2010, on 10:25 am
Excellent post.
You know what would be really cool? A “Printable Copy” button that would generate just the text of the article for printing. Then I could print and mail to my own father.
18 May 2010, on 1:26 pm
I bought Sarah Palin’s book. It wasn’t a very hard read; I had the first three chapters colored within a couple hours.
18 May 2010, on 8:43 pm
Thanks, Ray! Your best post yet. And probably the single most important essay on
GifS. Which, really, is saying something because I think we’re a very intelligent lot.
And, Jimmer, thank you for those links. I knew about MIT but the others sound promising, too. I will have no one else to blame for not finishing college but myself. Now if only I can find those dang bootstraps…
18 May 2010, on 9:06 pm
Well said and very much an important message needed to be heard. Please share this people.
20 May 2010, on 12:17 pm
This post spoke to me in a profound way. Especially the mention of your father. My mom is very much the same. She can’t pronounce or spell anything correctly but says that you are the one who is wrong if you contradict her. She is an awful abusive alcoholic but blames everyone else for her problems and cannot understand why noone likes her. She made me drop out of high school in the 9th grade because she beleived school was a waste of time and I could just work at a Long John Silvers or somewhere like her.
20 May 2010, on 12:25 pm
Sorry…writing this from my phone and it only allows me to send so many characters at a time. As I was saying…. my mom used to tell me all the time that I read too much and how was I going to get a decent husband if I’m smarter than he is? Well I’m 30 now and have a wonderful husband whom I’ve been married to for 10 years, because we were married so young, we waited for 8 years before having children. My mother thought I was not able to bear children since I had not had any by the time I was 22.
20 May 2010, on 12:34 pm
She refused to beleive it was by choice. I was born, raised, and still live in Georgia. Hate it! Constantly surrounded by stupid and arrogant christians. What is even more frustrating is that not one of the idiots will read a book unless it is the bible (which I doubt if any of them have read the whole thing) and instantly refute the word of doctors or scientists. They mistrust and fear anyone who is smarter than they. It was fun when I told them I was an atheist, half disowned me. No great loss.
20 May 2010, on 1:12 pm
I could complain about my family for days but still have another point to make. I have thought for years that the educational system and the general attitude of the population towards education is a joke. Everyone values looks and popularity over brains. Being smart is overrated in their opinion. I am personally leaning towards homeschooling my children since I cannot afford private school but fear lack of social skills. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
20 May 2010, on 3:02 pm
By the way… love this site. I have been a regular reader for about 4 years. First time I have left a comment though. Keep up the good work!
20 May 2010, on 3:13 pm
Thanks for reading, Brandy! Glad to have your comments and hope you will post more often.
When I was first married my husband and I lived near Little Rock, Arkansas for nearly two of the longest years of my life. I was born and raised in Chicago and while being raised Lutheran, religion was no big deal up here, at least in my family and with most people we knew. Then moving down to Arkansas was a big shock. Jeebus this and Gawd Bless around every corner!
Was so glad to move back to Chicagoland that I could have kissed the ground!
As for homeschooling and social skills. What social skills do they learn in school? How to change classes when a bell rings like a trained hamster? And no talking is allowed, everyone does the same thing and the same time, and is taught the exact thing in the same way at the same time. All real social activity happens after school hours anyway. Visiting each others’ homes, joining clubs, dance classes, sports, etc. Our three kids did independent study for their high school years. Our sons left high school in the first and second year. Our daughter didn’t spend any time going to high school. They were involved in community orchestras, took private music lessons, girl scouts, boy scouts, all that…totally outside of school. They all three started courses at the community college while all their friends were taking the same thing in high school (first two years of college is just a rehash of high school subjects), and they received their associates degrees while all their peers were graduating high school. They went on to receive their B.A degrees, and my daughter even had a scholarship to Yale for her M.A.
Some secular sites to check into
John Holt Growing Without Schooling
Secular Homeschool
20 May 2010, on 3:56 pm
Thank you Stardust for sharing your thoughts. I agree with you, what valuable social skills could they possibly learn from attending school? I should have said I am more afraid of my kids being sheltered or secluded. We live in a teeny super religious town. My husband and I live like hermits for the most part since we feel that we have nothing in common with our peers around here. There is also a lack of extracurricular activities for children to join. Our options would be severely limited. Do you think it would be ok for them to not have much social interaction? Is there a chance that they could grow up confident well rounded children?
20 May 2010, on 5:18 pm
Sorry Stardust, I guess now that I’ve started talking I’m never going to shut up. Wanted to also thank you for the links, will look at those as soon as I get a chance. My little girl is only 2 and my boy is 10 months so at least I have a little time to figure all this out but it is something I think about daily. I also fear that I will not be a good teacher.Previously I mentioned that I dropped out of school in the 9th grade, well did eventually go get my GED and got perfect or near perfect scores on all the subjects without classes, but this hardly qualifies me as a teacher. Never did go to college, not because I didn’t want to but unfortunately we fall in that horrible lower middle class range, which means we make too much money to receive help but too little to be able to afford school. Same goes for health insurance.
20 May 2010, on 5:22 pm
Brandy
Good for you in making an attempt at taking control of your childrens education.
You may want to check out a secular group near you that can offer you real time, real world experience. A quick search will lead to finding groups who have been there done that. Such as http://atheists.meetup.com/610/
Also It goes without saying that You can move.
20 May 2010, on 7:53 pm
Jimmer, since I have not looked at your link yet I may be leaping before I look but I have searched for local secular groups near me and the closest are in Augusta or Atlanta. Neither of which are near where I live. As for moving, I would love to! It is only because of my husband’s family that it’s not an option. His family is nothing like mine and he wants to stay close to them.
21 May 2010, on 1:31 pm
Thank you so much for commenting, Brandy! It almost sounds like we could be related! After my dad quit working and stayed home to brood, he would try to talk me out of going to school. “Stay home with your ol’ dad today,” he’d say. “We can watch cartoons. I didn’t go to school and I turned out okay.” I’d think, No, Dad, you didn’t. When I said I wanted to be a writer and write books or movies, he would laugh at me and tell me I’d never manage, that it was impossible to succeed in the world — something he’d never attempted. He would tell me this between beatings. Often during beatings, he would tell me how stupid I was. From the time that I was little boy, the mantra I repeated throughout my childhood and teen years was, “Don’t be like them. Don’t be like them. Don’t be like them.” I think it’s WONDERFUL that your putting thought, effort and planning into your children’s education. If you’d like to commiserate, drop me a line sometime: raygarton@mail.com
21 May 2010, on 3:17 pm
Thanks, Brandy, and Ray for sharing your personal experiences.
For what it’s worth, after reading your comments, I’m even more convinced that atheists are some of the nicest folks you’ll ever meet; albeit, if only on the Internet.
Since I atheistically came “out of the closet”, several years ago, with pretty much everyone; very few family members, old friends, or formerly frequent musical associates ever communicate in any way with me…even by email.
I could be wrong…but I’m rather convinced that my ‘coming out’ as an atheist is a major factor.
Which makes Sites like GifS, at least for this atheist, much more like a comfortable “home” base.
In fact…where WOULD we atheists all be, especially these days, without the Internet?
Zama, zama…
21 May 2010, on 3:42 pm
Ray, My mantra has been almost the same except for it goes…. “Don’t be like HER, Don’t be like HER” haha My mom and dad were divorced before I was 2 years old and she was unable to hold onto a relationship since. I still talk to my mother a lot but we usually argue about everything. The craziest things come out of her mouth. Just yesterday she went on and on about Californians and how they are messed up in the head. Just all kinds of weird stuff. Finally I had to shout “COME ON!!!!!! You cannot stereotype an entire state!!!!” Oh but that is my mom’s favorite pasttime… stereotyping people I mean…. when I told her that I was an atheist she told my brother that meant that I was gay. HAHAHAHA!!! Because supposedly all atheists are gay according to her brand of logic.
ChuckA, Thank you, we atheists are incredibly nice people! We at least have to have a sense of humor. As for loss of family and friends, who cares right? They probably aren’t worth losing sleep over anyway. I just wish that my husband and I didn’t seem to be the only atheists around for miles. It would be nice to talk to other people about our beliefs without sneers or uncomfortable shrugs or awful ignorant comments from the people we are talking to.
21 May 2010, on 5:32 pm
My little girl is only 2 and my boy is 10 months so at least I have a little time to figure all this out but it is something I think about daily. I also fear that I will not be a good teacher.
Well, when you stop to think about it, parents are the ones in charge of their child’s education and teachers trust you enough to sit and tutor them hours and hours of homework after they have been in school classes all day! Parents teach their children so much, and we are in charge of their guidance through their fastest growing period in the early years following birth. What teachers do is to give prompts and guidance, children do the learning. Where there is a library, there is a wealth of information and all sorts of viewpoints and ideas about things inside those books. There are bookstores, websites, and in today’s world with all the technology we have, schools should be obsolete. Basically, what schools have become are baby sitting centers. What does a child do for the three months off for summer? Do they just vegetate till the teachers resume teaching in the fall? No, kids continue learning…as John Holt says we ALL are learning all the time. Present a kid with books and information, take them to museums, nature hikes, etc and they will learn. Summer vacations we traveled and always ended up finding something historical to explore.
The Growing Without Schooling magazine and website offers a wealth of information. My daughter found the International Penfriend Association via their magazine and had a couple dozen penfriends from around the world to write to. So she worked on her writing skills while also learning about other countries directly from people who live there. Had she gone to regular high school she may not have found out about that, and may not have had the time to pursue her other interests and her music. She showed me an International Penfriend Form and that it had a category for adults…so I joined. I still have 40+ penfriends from around the world.
S0, if you homeschooled your kids and there are no other opportunities for socializing with other kids outside of the school environment? (Sorry, but I would have to move if there were only fundies around to interact with!) If you contact the Growing Without Schooling people they will have ideas or maybe even social groups in nearby towns with other kids…taking field trips, etc. And yes, it is a good idea to start finding out about this now, and getting organized. Don’t let negative comments scare you away from doing what you feel is best for your children.
If you have any more questions, please ask!
21 May 2010, on 10:59 pm
Don’t worry Stardust. I would never let negative comments affect my judgement. I like to think I’m an incredibly rational being and most of what I do is well planned. I did take a look at the links you suggested and already those have helped immensely and I will continue to look for more. Thanks again for the tips. No offense taken for the (Sorry, but I would have to move if there were only fundies around to interact with!) comment, completely understandable, definitely feel like screaming everyday! That’s why we live like hermits. If there are any more questions, I will definitely ask. BTW, I love to read everything I can get my hands on so we already spend lots of time at the local library and also I like to research everything so I’m constantly perusing the net for information. At least that’s a start.
21 May 2010, on 11:45 pm
Man, where have you been hiding all of this time? Some days (well, nearly every day) I get up thinking I must be the last sane person on this planet surrounded by people with a religious fervor for their own deity and the lack of tact to just keep quiet about it.
The dumbing down of America? Wow, the older I get the more I realize I did not know shineola as a youngster and the importance of keeping my mouth shut now. It is nice for a change to read and hear the voice of reason from fellow atheists instead of the mostly narcissistic drivel of religious conservatives.
Please consider me a new and faithful reader of your blog. I look forward to your posts from the front line of census enumerating where I am working now too.